when it came out then, I wasnt too fond of it simply because it looked a little chubbier along the waist line... I liked the engine though
I think that's correct. I believe this exact topic was covered over on VLG recently. Regarding the Screaming Yellow Zonkermobile. Pontoon air scoops on the rear? Maybe it looks better in another color? Like black in a pitch black room. Yuck. Bob S.
Funny how this thread turned out to be so wrong. Lamborghini currently makes the prettiest exotic in the world (Aventador) and is following that up with the gorgeous Huracan. I just bought a Balboni and the car feels as fresh and quick as a 458 despite being 5 years old. The Prancing Horse is being left in the dust with California T's and 500,000 dollar f12's that look positively old next to the Aventador. Lambo is now into a racing series and Ferrari gets spanked weekly by Mercedes in F1 LONG LIVE the raging bull!!!
what have the business numbers been for Lamborghini last 4 years? no doubt they make a beautiful piece of art/machine. I don't think that was ever in question. I also don't think Ferrari has ever tried to be as "outlandish" (word only from a Ferrari guy) as Lamborghini. Ferrari is little less stated, just as high performing, Formula One, and a soulful 60+year extensive history. I'm a Ferrari guy, but would still like to have a Lamborghini, just like I want a Porsche for other reasons.
Funny, you are probably in the minority to think the G feels as fresh as a 458. Even the new Huracan hasnt really convinced the press to be as entertaining as the now 5 years old 458. The F12 is also seen as a better car than the Aventador (while not as dramatic..). Lambo is racing but not really winning in GT where the 458 has been dominant.
I was merely stating that the OP of this thread, worried about Lamborghini viability completely missed (thankfully, and I bet no more so than Roy). I love Ferrari too, but I don't like the last three cars they have come out with (the FF? really?). I think Lambo is leaving them in the dust with their product line in my opinion.
Spoken like a true Ferrari fanatic. The Balboni 2 WD Gallardo, not the 4WD. Wanted to make that clear. As far as the F12 considered to be better than the Aventador, I haven't read or seen that in ANY publication except maybe Forza (natch).
I'm not fan of FF or California. However, I think Ferrari has nailed it with 458, 599, and now the F12. I like everything about the La Ferrari except the name and price.
LaFerrar is gorgeous - and as unobtainable to us as a Space Shuttle so what's the point? I still haven't fallen in love with the 458. The last obtainable beautiful Ferrari built was the Challenge stradale 10 years ago!
Well, that's why im on Ferrari Chat. I love lambos too. Love the Aventador and love the old Lambos..i am actually considering buying an early Diablo next year. Regardless, what i pointed out wasnt my opinion but the general POV of the specialized press. Ferrari F12 vs. Lamborghini Aventador - Comparison Test - Road & Track Ferrari F12 vs Aventador vs Vanquish - BBC Top Gear Even EVO says the F12 is a better car eventhough the journo said he would pick the Aventador as it's more outlandish than the F12.
In my opinion, currently, Lamborghini outshines Ferrari in the F12 vs. Aventador battle. The Aventador is the best looking car out right now. I have been a true Ferrari Fanatic since the 1970's cars. I always loved the angular wedge shape mid-engine cars from the 1970's Bertone Lotus', Ferrari 365/512 BB, Pininfarina 308, Lamborgini Urraco, Jalpa, Countach, These type of cars have always been super-exotic wall poster cars. The 60's and 1990's to present Ferrari V12's were, and are all Front engine GT's that mostly do not fit the mold that I loved as a kid-pretty, but not exotic enough. I love the Ferrari V8 shapes from the Pininfarina 308/328/348/355. I think mid engine Ferrari V8's lost a bit of their angular exotic beauty with the 360 and 430's. Ferrari regained the angular exotic look with the 458. Lamborghini's have been angular and exotic looking since the Miura to the present. I recently test drove a Huracan and I cannot get out of my head and heart, how much I love that car. I will always keep my F355, but I think my heart is now set on purchasing a new Huracan. I have always loved Lamborghini's, but this time I think they have really won me over. The 458 replacement will be a twin turbo like the Mclarens. The 12C and 650S are extremely easy to drive fast, but they just do not sound as glorious as the Huracan's naturally aspirated V10 that will screams all the way through the 8500 rpm redline and wonderfully gurgles and keeps a permanent smile on your face. The dual clutch transmission is wonderfully paired with the engine and the ANIMA button is much more realistic for real driving situations than the separate performance delivery and suspension adjustments on the Mclarens. I just don't know what color on the Huracan that I prefer.
"I just don't know what Color on the Huracan that I prefer." Can I respectfully suggest anything other than red, perhaps?!
With the VW group behind it the Lamborghini name will live on for as long as there are cars and continue to get more practical and reliable. As far as brand, I think Lambo (and Aston, and Porsche) are in different versions of the same rut - their brand styling is so locked down that they all basically look the same. The Countach was one of a kind. The Gallardo/Murcielago/Aventador/Huaracan are sort of the same prism'ed wedge over a mid-engined chassis. They all look good, but I always check the rear deck badges to confirm which one I'm looking at. And, frankly, they're not exceptionally beautiful cars anymore, in the way the original Countach was. Now they're just for shock value (and the Countach did that better as well). I don't care for the FF or California, but at least they're distinctive compared to the 458 and the F12 tourer. If I had to spend that kind of cash on a modern car, I would put those last two ahead of any current Lambo offerings.
I am sorry the F12 just looks like a modern Maranello, and the 458 looks like a squashed 360. Neither of them do anything for me.
i like the 458 to me is the best looking ferrari made after the 355 i am not a huge fan of modern lamborghinis...sorry for this since lambo is my fav brand since EVER to me the diablo still looks better than the aventador and the murcielago
My issue with Lambo is that they do not seem to have moved on stylistically since the Countach. If you look at every car since, it's just an evolved version of the Countach, very similar to the way the 911 has evolved. Ferrari, on the other hand, have evolved quite significantly to where they have design cues here and there that hearken back to older cars, but if you put anything from the '70's next to anything from today, there is very little resemblance other than the tail lights and perhaps the rear deck on the 458 spider. Lambo made beautiful and stylistically extremely varied cars until the Countach - the jump from 350/400GT to Miura to Countach wasn't an evolution but a revolution. Then they just stopped and everything became a Countach variant. Disappointing to me, as at least the v8/v10's could have a different design language, but it's all the same thing over and over again. But, I guess if it works for Porsche, why not lambo?
Agree also. To me the Diablo is the last really Italian Lambo (in spite of Chrysler influence), because after Audi, even though the exotic looks have remained, to me, much of the passion of the design is gone. Great looking cars, but that thing that is hard to put your finger on, that just screams Italian passion, just doesn't seem to be there like it is to me on the Diablo on back into the past, with two peaks of passion with the Miura and Countach.
up to the Diablo, when Lambo was manufacturing different models simultaneously, Countach, LM and Jalpa, or Miura Espada, Islero, each car had it's own design and personality - I have difficulty in distinguishing theye the Murci from the Gallardo at 300 meters. Probably the same with the Avendador and Hurrican IMO.
I own both, a Ferrari 458 and a Lamborghini Aventador. I love them both but they are aimed at different markets. The real comparison Is the Ferrari GTO and the Aventador. I drove both and choose the Aventador. The Aventador is a great cruiser but the transmission which is a single clutch felt clunky to me. Lamborghini had 4 service campaigns that the dealer alerted me to. The most significant improved the smoothness of the transmission and the way the car feels and handles. It now drives as good as it looks. This does not take away from the 458, it serves a different mission. I was at Ferrari yesterday and I looked at a Maserati MC. What a great sounding and looking car. I had driven a coupe last year and I was impressed. The one I just looked at was a convertible. I mam seriously thinking about it. Best Lee
When your talking about styling, there's no way it can match the past. Progressive designed in safety has compromised that. In addition, computers have closed the gap on brands. The new Corvette looks as good as many exotics. I love the Aventador, but the technology scares the crap out of me. When the warranty runs out lets see how well these cars hold up in value. Will too much technology finally catch up with an owners willingness to pay for repairs?
