What are the chances that McLaren is out of the running for 2007?...
What are the chances that McLaren is out of the running for 2007? http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/topstories/2007/08/09/ferrari-spy-a-big-fight-89520-19598987/ "This is of unheard seriousness."
LH is Bernies key to many more millions and he drives a McLaren ... there is no way Bernie will allow his new cash cow to be touched by mere rules and fair play. Pete
+1 Even thought McLaren is guilty I hope that the championship is decided on the race track and not in a court room by the FIA. That would be a hollow victory for Ferrari .We'd never hear the end of it from all the Ferrari haters. Hopefully we'll see the champioship go to the wire and decided at the last race.
McLarceny deserve a penalty if found guilty again and this will probably be exclusion from the WCC - especialy now that they've alienated the pro-Alonso voting members and shown their true (lying) colors last weekend. Nobody cares about the WCC except constructor (bragging rights) anyway and Bernie will keep an intact WDC race.
i prefer the wcc to the wdc. like enzo said, it's the car. alonzo in a spyker doesn't win anything. these guys gravitate to the car.
It's not the car, nor the driver. It's the car _and_ the driver. It is not a coincidence that the best drivers drive the best cars / that the best cars get driven by the best drivers.
it's also no coincidence that the best drivers stay away from the wort cars, but the worst drivers still want the best car. so my point is, it's much more the car than the driver.
Most of the best drivers helped develop the best cars. Michael helped develop the Ferraris and Fernando the Renaults.
_But_ 'muchmore' would not be worth its full potential without the best drivers. The key is the interaction between the car and the driver, and the many other variables, not one of the variables. I can understand you wanting to create a clear dichotomy but all systems, particularly high performance ones, where small differences = major results, such as F1, are much more complex than that. The car and the driver are not independent, but interdependent. It's not about one variable, but about the interaction between the variables. RD spoke tangential to this, in his description of McL. If F1 was a one variable system, the results would be fully calculable, and thus it wouldn't be worth doing, much less watching ... Not unlike cooking - what makes a great dish is the interaction between the ingredients. It transcends the sum of their parts ... this is very much the essence of all systems/life/yourself and it is what RD said about McL, very eloquently I might add.
How about this Ferrari beats Mclaren on the track........then afterwards Mclaren in banned from every racing again PERIOD. Now this I can agree to
absolute dribble, you still haven't worked it out yet have you ? the so called "worst drivers" in a Ferrari or McL this year would be the top of the charts , end of story, there is very little between the drivers talents but there is a huge difference in the cars, Frank Williams proved this time after time, Damon Hill would NEVER have won a WDC if not for being in the right place at the right time, the Williams was the class of the field. Rory Byrne had more to say about Ferrari's future than Schumacher, yes Schumacher was the best driver by a long way but put him in a Minardi and it wouldn't matter how good he is he ain't going anywhere near the front. Michael's persistence to prove that he could get to the top with Ferrari speaks volumes of the man's character, far more than the professional butterflies that move team to team hoping to snag the right team at the right time or are just looking for some more money. I'll bet if you took Luizzi or Rosberg and put them in the McL or Ferraris they would be at the pointy end .... doubt it ?? well look at Rubens or Coldheart, these guys have won more GPs than most in top line cars, where are they now ? Are they crap drivers ? NO they are just driving crap cars the ONLY thing that each driver has to beat is his team mate, it's the only time you are comparing apples to apples .... just look at the McL debate over drivers and the trouble we tifosi have with Massa and Kimi
Here's the thing, it is irrefutable that McLaren did something wrong. It does not matter that it was only one (really?) of their employees. Again, it is irrefutable that McLaren did something wrong and so it just seems fundamentally wrong that they are not being punished whether there are damages or not. Personally, I think they will be as it would set a bad precedent otherwise.
i disagree. i think the key is the car. ask jenson and rubens. the car and the driver are quite independent. that's why alonso can step out of the renault and into the mclaren. they are independent. to take this further, it wouldn't be hard to program the track into the cars computer and have it go around the track COMPLETELY independently. i'm not sure where the one variable thing comes from. i never said that. i said the CAR is MUCH more important than the driver.
in this day and age...i agree totally! to push this a bit, it then lands on the drivers to 'consistently' deliver at least 9/10ths of what those top cars can give. this last 'bit' of ability can make the difference between being 'competitive' within a top car, and winning the WDC...especially when it's a tight race among several drivers...
true, but most drivers can deliver 97% of a cars ability, it's the exceptional drivers that get the extra and outperform their team mates, but don't take my word for it look at the drivers standing in the WDC and note the make of the cars, that extra little bit of ability means nothing unless you're in the best cars
I think you guys give Bernie WAY too much credit. He couldn't do anything in the Indy tire affair, and that had almost everyone wanting to resolve it and in agreement that a solution could be found, AND it was hugely damaging to the sport in one of it's more important markets. It was about the worst thing that could have happened. If Bernie couldn't do anything about *that*, why would he possibly be able to pull the strings necessary to do anything about the spy fiasco? There's no way. Bernie is powerless.
Nope. It's the Car Driver Designer Engineer Wind Tunnel Pit Crew Tires Motor Manager Absence of bad luck You have a weak link in ANY of those areas in TODAY'S F1 - you lose.
Like I mentioned before, McLarceny were happy receiving the info, ostensibly to check for rules infringement. This must be why an elated Coughlan must have gone to his bosses and said "Look what I've got!" when he received the 780 pages document. This would indicate that it had become common to review everything that Stepney was sending. The problem is they're not impartial enough to scan through all the data and then un-remember everything they saw which wasn't deemed questionable - remember they only found one.
Yep - you just agreed that the keyword is the _and_ between the variables Variables don't operate in a vacuum. They operate in a system _exclusively_. You cannot move them around as some do, without changing them. I'll address Moretti et al later I'd also go with some rain/free hp among other things and see how it impacts on absence of bad luck, which is already leaking profusely over the other variables.
