is the bubble due to burst?

There are loads of Dino's for sale in the U.K. motor magazines all of a sudden. Similarly, over the past few months there are lot of 275 and 330 GTS' for sale even though their numbers are few (this particular model seems well over priced in my very personal view). As prices apparently rise more sellers are drawn out, prices level off and prices hold for a while, possibly drop but may move up again once the latest crop of cars are sold. I have seen this pattern with the Daytona over the past few years and as far as I am concerned it is still happening. F40's seem to have settled after recent rises. Lusso's are still cheap (I believe). 275's unstoppable, etc. I think there ARE bubbles but they are model specific and their are no signs of crashes, simply readjustments.

 

Yes BIRA your very right about this. This is a very important point. Ferrari is very good at this. Better than almost any other brand. Much like Patek is good at it in the watch world.

 

I think this will breake all results.

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Lusso's were cheap. No longer. Now finding a good one under $1m is very difficult.
275s are rightfully strongly priced. Its an icon, and perhaps one of the best road cars (275 GTB/4) Ferrari has ever built...

 

Ferrari has always been good at fostering the image (AKA: The Myth).
Enzo learned early the value of good press.
IIRC One of his early ambitions was to be a sports writer.

 

I hesitate to bring up the issue of how (realtively) cheap the Daytona appears right now, in comparison, as there are other threads specifically covering this very topic. But it does look a bit of a bargain. In comparison I stress! And I am biased.

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Agreed.

 

Didn't the Facels run Chrysler engines? That makes a big difference regarding collectibility...

 

I believe the smaller ones had motors of their own design.

 

Absolutely agree.

Either we are on the edge of the precipice or its going to go nuts. $20 $30 or even $40 million wouldnt be a surprise with a car like that

 

Yes the big Facels were all Chrysler powered; the earliest Hemi's, then 360's. The Small Facel (Facellia) were Volvo I-4 powered. That killed the brand......

The Facel "train is leaving the station" already. Junk is approaching $75k US, properly done cars are already passing $130k US. Because of their "pedestrian" Chrysler motors, they have not benefitted from good care over the years; not many left, many are seriously rusty. The styling is an acquired taste, for many. They fit the bill for a knowledgeable collector who likes to travel slightly outside the mainstream of Italian, German and British GT's. And the 200 - 300 hp with huge torque doesn't hurt either! Handling is not their strong point.....Although there are a number of cars in the US, they are much more popular in Europe today. Good restoration projects are scarce.
NB: I have a fresh 300B Hemi just waiting for a new home, so have been following these for some time.

 

Vizsla is right. They first build an inline-4 of their own - a total lemon - before switching to Volvo. Best wishes, Kare

 

They were manufactured actually by Pont-a-Mousson, then run interestingly by Michel Paul-Cavallier of SEFAC fame. The Paul-Cavallier family was the controlling shareholder of PAM at that time and Michel was certainly keen on cars, being a big client of Ferrari incl 410 Scaglietti berlinetta and ended up on the Board of SEFAC.
Still the garantee given by FACEL for the engine , a sophisticated but unreliabLe DOHC 4 cyl, killed the company as almost every client rushed to have a free exchange...

 

Had a big motored GTO too, if I remember right.

 

330 LM. #4561SA.

 

Thanks.

 

While Daytonas aresuperior drivers and mechanically wonderful they are just not pretty. Long hood, odd vents, and then the most beautiful curves are in the rear. Comppletely unbalanced design.

Try finding one in good condition. If you can, then the owners think they are worth a Daytona Spider

 

Hmm.
I think you've got it backwards.
Daytonas are stunning but not great around town drivers.

Oh, just saw your name.

 

These if they are real have been selling in the $60,000-$80,000 range for a while. Lots of folks use them with their yachts as a get around car to be off loaded at port. I see them on boats in Italy and Greece.

 

A Ghibli, laid up for 14 years and in need of total restoration, with an estimate of £12,000 GBP to be auctioned in UK in May.

See here: Maserati Ghibli comes out of hiding after 14 years | Classic and Sports Car

 

Great one go for $120k (SS). Not much room left if it needs total restoration..

 

estimate seems very low even if it needs lots of rust repair; although it looks pretty solid in the photo.
engines aren't too expensive compared to our cars.

 

How many automatic Ghiblis were built??

 

"not pretty....unbalanced" coming from a Lambo guy I would expect nothing less! When was a long hood (bonnet) a bad thing? How many 60s/70s classic have a short hood (bonnet)? A great big V12 needs a bit of space up front, don't you know?

 

Even at that price level it seems way too steep for novelties.
But then again they are a "special case".

Does anyone have a good handle on the size of the market?
How many transactions are there on an annual basis?
How many of those are to end users?