Is the CS a modern day GTO?

Love the comparison regardless.

 

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I don't know, the GTO is iconic but I drove my CS up to lime rock raceway Saturday and it is about 100 miles up and 100 back and she was as amazing as ever... a beast of a car and as flamboyent as as she was in 04 the lines just don't seem to age.I see the faces of the younger men at the track and you might be correct ,the Challenge Stradale may perhaps be their GTO someday...

 

Jerome- Nowhere near comparable. You could drive a GTO to LeMans and be competitive in the 24 hour race. Or to any of many races the GTO won or finished first in GT in the early 60s. Not true with a CS.

To be fair, though, those full race GTOs would have been a pain to drive on the streets and most (nearly all) were trailered to races.

Taz
Terry Phillips

 

Stradale at ESR this past weekend.
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That is true of any modern car unless you are speaking of a Miyata or some stock class racer like that. I think even the 355CH made a really rotten street car. With the way any racing has evolved there is just no such thing as a raceable street car or a streetable race car.

I have always however considered the CS the modern 288GTO. Both are very cool street cars.

 

I'm a long time Corvette owner and I gotta say, the CS looks just as contemporary as the C6 Z06.

 

Jim- I agree and I think the CS is by far the most attractive of the entire 360/430 series. Would love to have one as a little sister to my 575M.

Taz
Terry Phillips

 

Agreed

 

Todays Porsche 911 (997.2) GT3 RS?

 

no. i think the new gto might be THE new gto .

the cs tho is a fantastic car with tremendous presence. i am always surprised that people know what it is and point it out in a crowd. around here, scuds are frequent sights, but i think i am the only cs in the canton of geneva.

 

hey! Your biased!

 

So the "O" stands for omologato or homologation. The CS isn't one (nor is the new GTO, for that matter).

 

I think your taking this too 'literally', I think the OP was thinking about it 'in spirit', ie. Not real Omologato but the fact you can race around (on a track for fun, not an actual race) then drive home. The way Ferrari think about GTO these days is just along these lines.

I actually completely agree btw with regards to GTO moniker, however since Ferrari marketing felt the need to slap the letters indiscriminately onto the 599 Scuderia (what it should have been called, especially with that fully detailed 'Scud' interior and seats!) then pretty much anything goes after that. Well too heavy to be called a GTO imho and with no racing intention or competitions to make it worthy of the name. Hell, why not, "Welcome to the new Fiat 100 GTO....".

As others have stated, there is no such thing as a car that can be both competative as a true race car and then be driven home anymore (the closest I think is a Radical XTR). Certainly not produced by Ferrari. Thats not to say its impossible to try but it wouldn't be a leader. It wouldn't come first in any races if it was usable on the road as too many compromises would get in the way. Aero, stiffness, braking, tires, suspension, weight reduction, aircon, safety, basically everything that matters. Race cars are so evolved that they make too many compromises for the last few seconds (every second counts) to get close to being useable on the road. Scud is a good compromise but they could go a lot further.

Even aside of the lack of racing programmes, I'd still like to see a LOT more aggressive weight reduction before the GTO letters started making their way on to the butt of road cars again. I.e. the suggestion that slap on a second set of slicks, setup your geo for track use and away you go... Without the weight reduction your toast. -100kg's on a 1.7 tonne car is a fraud and no amount of electronic trickery is going to convince me otherwise...

-T

 

the power to weight ratio is still pretty good.

the hp is 661 and the weight is 3295 pounds/ 1498 kg. so using the metric scale, this is 2.265, and that is better than any road car ferrari has made. and it is likley better than the original gto.

it really does not weigh all that much considering whats in it.

the cs weighs 1280 kg and has 425 hp, so that is 3.01, just for comparison.

 

Finally a sensible post.

Guys the 250GTO came 2ND OVERALL at Le Mans ... no fncken 360CS is ever going to even come close to that, never.

And yes the 360CS is the best looking of all 360 and 430 models by far.
Pete

 

Yes, I know this but I'd rather see LESS weight, then you'd need less power to achieve the same power to weight ratio. Adding HP to counteract the effects of weight only helps with grunt. Weight doesn't help with your ability to have an agile car. Only electronics helping out here, reminds me of the path Nissan engineers took with the GT-R. Still an impressive car (both are infact) but when it comes to racing, the electrics get junked and the weight goes down. GTO stood for weight reduced racing car imo.

 

for ref, Kerb weight is 1605kg for the 599 gto. By comparison the 575 GTC racer started life as a 1.7 tonne 575 Maranello and ended up at the end of its 'Michelloto' conversion a car which weighed 1175kg. Now thats what I'm talking about!

 

sure, but then you are talking pure race car again.

not only have race cars evolved to this elevated degree, but what people expect from their road cars is also completely different.

look at what is in a real gto. nothing. no radio, no aircon, no computer, no glass side windows, no emissions equipment, no safety features. etc etc.

basically there is no chance of us ever having another 'gto'. therefore i maintain that the closest approximation of that is the new gto.

 

Art I drove up Saturday with my son,we didn't stay long due to the lack of cars.
the only way you may have remembered seeing me was besides my rosso corsa cs was my dog Enzo,The black rotweiler under the tree.He traveled with my wife and daughter.
Turn out was the worst I had seen in 4 years.

 

You are all missing the point.

The 250GTO was not created to be a road car, it was created to defend Ferraris honour (and yes this word is spelt correctly) on the race track, and this it did very well.

The 360/430 model range is the equivalent of the 250 Spyder or 250 GT Lusso. And yes some Spyders were raced and I bet some Lusso's were too, just like some 360's have been raced at Le Mans, etc. BUT the GTO was the road RACING car for that period. I know some Lussos had the 6 carb engine, equivalent to a bit of hotting up like the 360CS.

Ferrari have not created another car like that officially since the 275GTB/C, or maybe the competition Daytonas, and I personally think its disappointing.
Pete