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Is the DeTomaso 70P being shown around Los Angeles real or replica?

Discussion in 'Other Italian' started by bitzman, Mar 19, 2019.

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  1. 3500 GT

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    #26 3500 GT, Dec 28, 2021
    To my knowledge having spoken with Mr. Brock this is the first attempt at making a body from his designs and sketches. Peter had to fly to Italy and supervise the second attempt to make sure it turned out the way he want it.


    The Sport 5000 was its own animal which Pete contributed to but did not supervise the build.
     

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    #27 angemana, Dec 29, 2021
    And Ghia never built or design this car, it was Fantuzzi
     
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    #28 3500 GT, Dec 29, 2021
    Yes, I already knew that since years & years ago….
     
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    #30 DenisC, Dec 29, 2021
    I guess the Marketing Team had too much vino for lunch when they prepared the package December 1, 1965. I am sure the name of the car is 5L Sport
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    #32 DenisC, Dec 29, 2021

    Both cars were never displayed at the same time until DeTomaso 50th anniversary reunion

    The 1st iteration (Fini car) was not built at either Ghia or Fantuzzi (as per Pete Brock) but it was loosely based on his sketches
    The 2nd iteration Dec 1965 was originally built at Fantuzzi with Pete Brock present using his designs and input
    The 3rd iteration Nov 1967 was built at Ghia NOT using Pete or his designs.
    The chassis has not been attributed to anyone in particular.
     
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    #33 angemana, Dec 30, 2021
    Incorrect as 5000 Sport ( the third car ) was raced in 1966 !!! and was built by Fantuzzi also, all documentation exist
     
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    #34 DenisC, Dec 30, 2021
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    How can it be raced in 1966 when it was only unveiled in 1967. Yet there are no known pictures or film records of any the 2nd iteration car at any races.
     
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    #35 angemana, Dec 30, 2021
    very well documented raced in 1966
     
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    #36 DenisC, Dec 30, 2021
    Ha Ha documented on fan based site. Fed by a multitude of pseudonyms all based in Belgium.
     
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    #37 angemana, Dec 30, 2021
    Based on the truth , simple , facts speak louder than goossips
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    #38 angemana, Dec 30, 2021
    I often wonder why people who seem to be intelligent want to rewrite history at all costs. To appear intelligent? to gain stature? it must be hard to want to convince at night when it is broad daylight
     
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    #39 DenisC, Dec 30, 2021
    First off this article which I had read some time ago does not support anything other than the car was presented 2 years ago (yes in it's former dress) and then a lot of speculation. Please review a certain "reference book". What is the name on the rear Targa of the car on page 84. Now read the marketing release from page 93 on the first line it is noted "new design" meaning old car new skin.
    As to Mugello 1966, look-up Roy Paggliacci film and no DeTomaso ever started that race.

    You ask "who want to rewrite history". Well, not me apparently, but someone who could write one (or 4 books) creating a "famous" car(s) Then acquiring the archives that were destined to someone else might be interested. Smells like "Motive and Opportunity" to me.
     
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    #40 angemana, Dec 30, 2021
    I understand that you are jealous by the success of others, you refuse the evidences, good luck to you
     
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    #41 DenisC, Dec 31, 2021
    Me jealous no. Success with honesty and hard work. Marcel Mansini and Kevin Marty live a good life. The "refence books" read like a Dan Brown novels. 20% BS burried in 80% truths. Written by people who walked away after seeing the final draft. Selling a car with a falsified heritage and content is not my forte. And I won't send a couple Czech biker thugs to sell my version of history.
     
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    From my brief, but ‘intense’ experience in the DeTomaso world as a car owner (Mangusta and Pantera), I found DenisC to be one of the greatest assets that Detomaso bunch has. I hope they all realize it. This man knows A LOT, yet remains humble and generous and helpful with his wisdom on this marque.
     
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    I was walking abut 4 ft. behind Pete Brock when he entered some event and saw the P70.He stopped and said "good copy." There was no one else around so he was talking aloud to himself.
    I don't know if he knows me by sight or if he even saw me walking behind him. So I'm curious why he said that. I am glad he found fame again through the revival of these two cars but I doubt the pedigree , especially re racing. Why is the auction company even mentioning races it entered but never appeared? i could enter a VW beetle at LeMans but, if it never appeared on the grid it does not have a LeMans history. I can give another example of stretched credibility from DeTomaso history. When I was visiting the factory some decades ago, I saw the original dark gold Mangusta in what I would call a junk pile, filled with garbage, but years later I saw it in a magazine as a running licensed car.(note it has the rear deck ventilation vents added which it did not have when a pushmobile) So anyone who says it was intact since its original shoe car career is wrong--when I saw it, it was a pushmobile, with a unique plexiglass covered dashboard with some gauges painted on. . I wish Marcel Massini could document DeTomasos like he does Ferrari. When I was at the factory there was no library or archive. I got the impression they were a company making up history as they went along.
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