As I wrote my post I worried about two things: Some would think I was calling them out because I referenced their post. Some would think I don’t want any negative comments about a car. For #1, I don’t mean to pick on a post or criticize any one person. I grabbed a quote to use it as an example and I don’t mean to imply that person was the problem. It’s a general theme not a specific person or post. For #2, I mention in my post that I like discussion and different opinions. I don’t need a self congratulating site where we all tell each other how great we are (I pay my mom for that). I already know what I like so hearing what other people like is insightful. It’s a subtle difference and I’ll use the SF90 discussion as an example because it was much more extreme. The topic was about the reveal of the SF90 and, for pages and pages it turned into why Ferrari was behind the times because they didn’t offer a carbon tub and stayed with aluminum. That would normally be fine but it quickly escalated into “McLaren is crushing Ferrari because of the carbon tub.”, “Ferrari is just gouging customers because they refuse to go carbon tub”, “It’s all about money and Ferrari doesn’t care about their cars any more”. It continued with countless posts about how amazing McLaren is and how they are destroying Ferrari and Ferrari has lost it. Those posts were so strong and so frequent I actually thought it could be from McLaren’s marketing department. Even a few members got banned because they were going too far. In the middle of all that was a great discussion of the pros and cons of carbon tubs vs aluminum. Some members had strong views why Ferrari was missing out and that’s OK. I don’t need only “your car is great” talk. I can read a different opinion, have a good cry, rock myself to sleep and come back the next day stronger than ever (most of the time). Trouble is, it was pages and pages of “Ferrari is crap and you are wrong for liking them” with just a few good posts of discussion sprinkled in between. Now that the SF90 launched? “Ferrari has lost it, the car is too heavy”, “The battery can only do one lap and then we’re down to a mere 770hp? What junk, this is the end of Ferrari”. On and on it goes with no substance. Just opinion, speculation, and bashing with no one having driven or seen a review of the car. This Monza discussion had posts about decapitation and deadly tires to the face. It was interesting (unfortunate but interesting) and didn’t bother me. The bothersome part was the rally behind it saying those that chose to drive this were crazy, Ferrari was irresponsible for making it, and the car was pointless. Back in the vortex we go. Criticism with discussion is good. Criticism with insults and nothing else is what I’m referring to. If I’m enjoying my ice cream and someone wants to tell me that strawberry is harder to make and chocolate has downsides because the chemicals used to make it, I’ll think they’re weird but hey... I might learn something about chocolate vs strawberry ice cream. If someone just tells me my ice cream is pointless and and I’m silly for enjoying it then I’m looking for another table. With all that said, I don't want to be part of the downer crowd and post over and over about why there's too much negativity. I recognize the irony in that. I've probably made my point too often with too many long posts so I'll spare everyone any more of my opinion. It is the internet after all. I can't expect every post to be a beacon of positive and rational discussion. Where's the fun in that?