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Is The USA F-40 Better than the English or Euro F-40?

Discussion in '288GTO/F40/F50/Enzo/LaFerrari/F80' started by 512Tea Are, Feb 11, 2008.

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  1. 512Tea Are

    512Tea Are F1 Rookie

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    Dear Comrades,

    I am wondering which is generally perceived to be the best and therefore the most desirable F-40. Is it the English F-40, the Euro F-40 or the United States of America F-40?

    For myself, I do actually believe that the English F-40 is at the very pinnacle of this illustrious trilogy of motor cars.

    With kind regards,

    512 Tea Are
     
  2. fastmikey

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    Is it too wet to drive the car again? You should maybe move the illustrious motor car to spain at your beach house where you would be able to enjoy it more!
     
  3. Chaos

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    Graham, before people endeavour to answer this (interesting and emotive) question, can you tell us what the difference between the UK, Euro and RoW F40's are ? I was (maybe wrongly) under the impression that everyone except the USA all got the same model - eg they didnt make a different F40 model for any market except the USA
     
  4. Craigy

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    US F40 is where it's at.

    1) It's got more top end.

    2) Most of them are in the USA.

    Someone might as well close this thread down right now, case closed.
     
  5. [355]

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    the rubber bumper add ons have a rather 'tacked on' look about them...the american obsession with big bumpers is also evident with the poor old 308 series, and any number of other automobiles

    Euro F40 thankyou
     
  6. Lambofreak

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    Always Euro. In all exotic cars. I LOATHE the side warning lights in all US versions. They ruin the original design.

    Same with those hideous bumpers for the american models, like in the Countach. Those things can make me puke.
     
  7. mattymouse33

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    I thought this had already been asked?
     
  8. 512Tea Are

    512Tea Are F1 Rookie

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    Dear Comrades,

    The doyen of all Ferrari matters, the most reverand and omniscient Comrade Joe Sackey returns here at first light in the morrow (Tuesday) and at which point the normal and most excellent of service that we have for so long grown accustomed, will once again resume with alacrity, conciinity, quiddity and perspicuously. And no doubt, we shall learn from Comrade Joe which Efforty is indeed the best rendition. He may well lean toward the English Efforty due its lightweight. Indeed, it was the illustrious Joe Sackey himself who originally annointed it and christened it with the title of: The English F-40 Lightweight.
    Accordingly, we must patiently wait for Joe Sackey's pronouncement in this regards.

    With kind regards,

    512 Tea Are
     
  9. WCH

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    Has anyone either weighed or dynoed a US + ROW F40 back to back, same equipment and conditions?
     
  10. Caley

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    Dear Graham,

    The F40 was produced in very few variations, and there are only two main categories: the Euro version and the US version. The Euro version was changed in detail a few times during production, such as the addition of the front rubber lip and the addition later on of cat converters due to the emission regulations. Also, some cars were indeed produced and ordered with the race style doors and sliding windows (106 cars were of this type). But basically, it is the same car. The US version is something dfferent, with different engine mapping, different chassies front and rear, aluminium tanks, different seats and of course, the obvious bumpers and side lights. The US cars are fewer in numbers and it is not a real matter of taste, because the US clients had only this option to go by, and the US version was never sold in Europe.

    I have had both the Euro versions, with and without cats, and with both sliding and normal windows. The difference is not possible to notice, either due to power delivery or wheight. It is just a fantastic car that does what very few others can do, Enzo included. It transfers the undiluted driving experience to the driver for a magic part of life, for a moment. Someone once compared it to having sex, and it is not far fetched...*L*

    So which is best? Simple answer - the F40 is one of the most famous Ferraris of all time, and needed some adaptions for its different markets. In the US, the car they have is the F40 to them, and in Europe, we got the car for our market. Both are basically very similar and an exquisite example of motoring at its very best. So the answer must be the obvious: the F40 is best, in any form that the great man himself gave us his final reincarnation.

    This is a combination of hard facts, and my humble view!

    Kind regards, Caley!
     
  11. StoryBook

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  12. RufMD

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  13. mattymouse33

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    Loving this answer
     
  14. Fan512bbi

    Fan512bbi Two Time F1 World Champ
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    English F-40?? Graham there is no such thing, maybe a British F-40 but not an English F-40.
     
  15. 512Tea Are

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    Dear Comrade Fan512bbi,

    My car is an English F-40. And due to my xenophobia I most certainly would not hold anything within my possession that is not English. Our dearest of all comrades, Comrade Joe Sackey christened it with the intitule 'The English F-40 Lightweight' and as Comrade Joe Sackey is at the forefront of all knowledge Efforty, then it is from his plenitudinal and perspicacious fount of all Efforty wisdom that I shall accept his utmost quiddity.

    There may well be an Irish Efforty, a Scottish Efforty and a Welsh Efforty. And whilst it is true that I have not seen one, and neither have I been informed of anyone making a claim to the possession of such a behemoth from the aforementioned countries. But, and all this notwithstanding, this does not mean that there is not such a rendition of the Efforty in existence. Ergo, my Efforty is an English Efforty it is also the last Efforty and yes, I believe it to be the best Efforty ever made. Furthermore, I also frequently drive my Efforty and last enjoyed a motoring excursion within it on Saturday last, when my wife and I motored to Winchester - replete with our bowler hats with which we were both sartorially attired.

    With kind regards,

    512 Tea Are
     
  16. SSNISTR

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    That's false. They are all quoted the same.

    The highest tested top speed was actually made with a Euro car, 202.5 MPH.
     
  17. SSNISTR

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    Power wise the USA cars are said to have a few more ponies to make up for the added weight. This has never been officially confirmed though.

    The Euro cars do weigh a few hundred pounds less then the USA cars though.
     
  18. Fan512bbi

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    So i suppose Wales is another colony of England then, anyway all F-40s are Italian and loaned to our colony.
     
  19. 512Tea Are

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    Dear Comrade Fan512bbi,

    No, Wales is a wholly separate entity from England and forms part of the United Kingdom.
    However, England has Sovereignity over Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland and it is the United States of America that is our English Colony. I trust this clarifies matters :)

    My car is the English F-40 Lightweight. Comrade Joe Sackey returns here tomorrow at ten minutes past eight o'clock in the morning. I shall seek his counsel and guidance. COMRADE JOE SACKEY KNOWS EVERYTHING AND IS NEVER WRONG.

    With kind regards,

    512 Tea Are
     
  20. SSNISTR

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    Bottom line is this, there are only two specs of F40's.

    Euro spec and USA spec.

    Some are just to thick headed to realize.
     
  21. 512Tea Are

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    Dear Comrades,

    Amongst the cognoscenti conclave of esoteric rather than the exoteric aficionado's the English F-40 is by far the most coveted.

    With kind regards,

    512 Tea Are
     
  22. StoryBook

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    Or just in denial
     
  23. [355]

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    all F40s are of course, a simply glorious bit of kit

    it is just a shame, that, as in many other examples over the years, the americans take a car and add protruding rubber bits and enough reflectors to highlight a freeway construction zone
     
  24. Chaos

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    i agree.
    however i wouldnt call it a Euro F40 - more THE F40 eg the car designed for the World.

    no the entity is the the UK.
    Wales, England etc are just parts of the whole thing.

    graham tbh theres no such thing.
    theres the United States F40 and THE F40 (as originally designed and produced for the world, including England and the rest of the UK)
     
  25. Caley

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    Dear Graham,

    the plans for the F40 was initially to produce 400 cars. But such was demand, that the factory did not want to repeat the 288-story of selling the cars at list price, and just watching them escalate on the market. They also had some dear but angry clients whom had not got either the 288 GTO or the F40, so the run was first increased to 700 and then to 900 cars. And the US-versions were added once it was made clear that it could be approved with modifications that did not change its character. In the factory and among the production team, the term "Lightweight" was never used to separate the Euro cars from the US cars. The only time the term was ever used, was for the 106 cars with sliding windows, which actually are a little lighter, but not by much. So by judging from your pictures, your car is not a "Lightweight", but a beautiful example of the Euro spec. And of course, there were never any special cars made for England or any other country. The factory even decided against the quite normal variation RHD for England and Japan. But I am sure that you all know this already, and there will be no need for Mr Sackey to decide in this matter, because it is a fact, and not an open question.

    As for the competition of which is best, let me remind you of the market regulations behind the 2 versions. The US car is best for the US since it is the only model they can use. For us in Europe, it is the Euro version, since this is the F40 for use in this region. No need to rank between to optimal products from the finest make in the world, and make allowance for taste - what you like is simply the best. So your car is the best for you Graham, like mine is for me. Easy, is it not *L* ?

    Kind regards from Caley
     

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