Is there a softer brake pad for the 458

Il Co-Pilota · Aug 29, 2021

ShadowLAP said: ↑

My experience matches what fFan5 reported above. I have a 2015 458 Spider and am the third owner. The first two owners put 2,500 miles each on the car before I purchased it. I attended a Track Day with my local FCA members and after taking a few cautious laps I found my brakes were terrible, compared to my Corvettes that I've run on that track. Fortunately, one of the Tech's from Continental AutoSports was on site and after an inspection he determined that the pads and rotors had not been bedded in properly by the previous owners. So in my next set of laps I followed his directions bringing the temp up and then letting the brakes cool. He also recommended a few fairly hard corner slow downs to get the temps up and then let them cool down. In my next session on track I could not believe the improvement. While the car was only on track once I can feel the improvement on the street. I would recommend the bedding in process first before spending money on pads. If the tech would not have been there I may have purchased new pads myself.
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There shouldn't indeed not be a difference, because the pads are the EXACT same. Noth are just Brembo pads with T4300 material. Same shape, same everything.

Il Co-Pilota · Aug 29, 2021

Ballie64 said: ↑

Thank you for this I now have lots of sound advice. I guess first it has to be worth my leaving everything as is but trying the bed in procedure first before I remove the pads to clean and refit...nothing to lose by trying I guess
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No problem
If they are glazed and you don't do any "cleaning", give them a few more hard stops. The glazing is really tough, so at least 10 of the fast hard stops. Make sure your tyres are adjusted as the fronts will get hot.

FerrariCognoscenti · Aug 29, 2021

I have a 2010 458 and it has incredible braking power whether cold or hot. Not sure what pads I have.

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Il Co-Pilota · Aug 29, 2021

Rexcat458 said: ↑

Thanks for the pad construction info… Humm, is 15k on a set of pads unusual? I do not track my 458, neither did the previous owner. Also, many of my drives are on the expressway, there is not a lot of stop and start driving.

I have the maintenance records from new (all F-dealer serviced) and there is no mention of pad or rotor replacement. In addition, it’s completed six of its seven annual maintenance inspections with no issues.

Plus an additional two inspections as well. One more to go on the freebie seven annual maintenance services before it rolls off the program.

I specifically asked at the last annual inspection in March and the (Ferrari) service department said the pads were fine (13,700 miles at the time) and not in need of replacement.

By the way, I just wanted to thank you for your posts… As a newbie Ferrari owner, I have found your posts very helpful in my quest to learn more about Ferrari’s in general. I sincerely appreciate your assistance!

Cheers!
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You're welcome. That's what the forum is all about

If you want to keep an eye on the pads yourself, it's super easy. Minimum pad thickness is 3 mm. Just don't confuse the pad material with the backing plate. You can easily see the pads and the material. Just use one of those small flat plastic spacers in 3.5mm you can buy in a hardware store as a feeler gauge. As long as it fits between the rotor and the backing plate of the pad, you are fine. Then when it just fits you know it's time to change pads.

Rexcat458 · Aug 30, 2021

Il Co-Pilota said: ↑

You're welcome. That's what the forum is all about

If you want to keep an eye on the pads yourself, it's super easy. Minimum pad thickness is 3 mm. Just don't confuse the pad material with the backing plate. You can easily see the pads and the material. Just use one of those small flat plastic spacers in 3.5mm you can buy in a hardware store as a feeler gauge. As long as it fits between the rotor and the backing plate of the pad, you are fine. Then when it just fits you know it's time to change pads.
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Thanks for the heads up on the brake pad check. [emoji2]

Cheers!

Ballie64 · Sep 1, 2021

A quick update.....I have done several hard stops now and got the brakes pretty hot! As soon as the brakes cooled I noticed a huge difference to the stopping performance. I basically did the run in procedure as mentioned on this post. It seems to have either de glazed the pads or burnt off and contaminants that were on them ie cleaning products. The brakes now work as I think they should the car stops well at slow speeds which it was struggling with prior to me getting the brakes hot and doing the burning procedure. I don't see and point in removing the pads to de glazed now as I am happy with how there performing. I think I will end up changing the fluid to the castrol race high temp one and upgrading to braided brake hoses at some point soon

Thank you everyone on here for your help and advice

rolikmeir · Mar 3, 2024

Il Co-Pilota said: ↑

It has been a problem for the entire 4x8/F8 range. The stock combo has poor modulation with an on/off switch feeling, and somewhat mediocre brake feel when cold.

You can improve them.

Firstly know that EBC does not offer anything, so forget all about that.

As suggested, use the Pagid RSC1 pads. However, also upgrade the brake fluid and brake lines. The Castrol React SRF Racing DOT4 is one of, if not the best fluid on the market. It has,a bit more compressibility which works well with Ferrari as it adds a bit to the modulation.

HEL Performance makes an awesome set of braided lines which are plug and play, and help precision. The rubber lines do deteriorate over time on cars that sit, so give it serious consideration. HEL Performance is a very well known and respected name in motorsports and quality is top notch.

Here are the pads
https://www.evox-performance.com/en/458-italia/730-sport-brake-pads-for-ceramic-discs-pagid-rsc1-ferrari-458-italia.html?gclid=CjwKCAjw4KyJBhAbEiwAaAQbEwP_nMfhKd4du_V8TLZTmCquRv5c4SO3MiC_B2jv-63z0-TIMWaraxoCANwQAvD_BwE#/144-pads_type_rear-pagid_rsc1_ceramic/143-pads_type_front-pagid_rsc1_ceramic

Here are the lines.
https://www.helperformanceautosales.com.au/products/hel-performance-braided-brake-lines-ferrari-458-4-5-v8-all-models

Here is the fluid. You need 3.
https://www.ogracing.com/products/castrol-react-srf-brake-fluid

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What are the benefits to changing out the lines? I am probably going to be getting the Pagid RSC1 pads.

My rear pads look good and my front are extremely worn. Can I just replace the front with Pagid and keep the original on the rears? Here is pics of the pads front and back

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Ballie64 · Mar 3, 2024

I fitted HEL hoses and it made a noticeable difference and was an easy operation if you are half competent, it's worth removing your pads to check as mine had plenty of meat on them I think there was 9mm still on them but on removal I discovered they had all cracked and were falling apart!!! I fitted new genuine Ferrari ones and the brakes seem much improved.

I hear the best way to go is new discs by Surface Transformations

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