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Is there are market for GPS Trackers for Exotics in Australia?

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  1. deangpsx8

    deangpsx8 Formula Junior

    May 2, 2008
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    Melbourne-Australia
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    Dean C
    I posted this on AE and wanted your comment's as well.
    We sponsor AE and enquired about some sponsorship here on FCHAT.

    Hi All,

    I would like some honest opinions on whether you guys see a need for GPS tracking systems for your cars.

    Our business has been around for many years and our Stolen Vehicle Tracking Division is not really performing.

    Our Corporate, Government and Medium Enterprise divisions are running at a million miles an hour and our service delivery department can hardly keep up.

    But unfortunately our stolen vehicle tracking division struggles to make sales.

    If we analyse our sales in other countries, Stolen Vehicle Tracking and security related applications are the major revenue earners.

    Is it because:-
    1. Australia is a relatively safe place to live and we don't see the need for Stolen Vehicle Tracking Services?
    2. Is it "The Aussie" she'll be right mate ..it will never happen to me?
    3. Is it the fact that our insurance will cover the cost of a new exotic so who cares anyway?
    4. Is it the fact that insurers generally do not demand a tracking system in exotics?
    5. Is it the fact that insurers do not give a reasonable discount for Tracking devices?
    6 Is it the fact that you are afraid of the big brother syndrome and the possible collection of driving history and data?
    7. Is it the fact that you don't want your cars compromised by shotty installation?

    Your comments would be greatly appreciated by myself and my marketing teams.


    If you would like to view more infomation on what is on offer you can Google our IntelliTrac Website.

    Regards

    Dean (fellow exotic owner)
     
  2. Aircon

    Aircon Ten Time F1 World Champ
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    that was enough to stop me reading the rest right there.
     
  3. deangpsx8

    deangpsx8 Formula Junior

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    Now now just because there was a highly acclaimed ***** fight, don't spoil my fun.
     
  4. moretti

    moretti Five Time F1 World Champ
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    what is AE ?

    Alcoholics Enterprise ?
     
  5. Aircon

    Aircon Ten Time F1 World Champ
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    there was?? ......and...that's what I do. Why should anyone else have fun if I'm not?
     
  6. deangpsx8

    deangpsx8 Formula Junior

    May 2, 2008
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    all i can say is that there has been alot of discussion about this topic on AE tonight.

    It has given me a bit of an insight on whether we should be focusing some effort in this market segment.

    I would have genuinely liked some comment from you fellas.

    Let's get something straight. I am not trying to drum up any sales.

    The percentage of sales that GPS Stolen vehicle tracking makes to my business is minimal and not worth worrying about.

    Hence any comment as to how the average exotic owner views this technology would have been beneficial.
     
  7. alexm

    alexm F1 Veteran

    Sep 6, 2004
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    It's interesting to see why those with expensive (or even) other cars don't have them.

    Ditto adventurers as per recent millionaire lost in desert after experimental plane crash in CA no-one knew where he was.. you'd think of all the people someone like that would have a tracking system installed. Perhaps people just could'nt be bothered for some reason?

    So many cheap solutions out there now. eg SPOT, flood of cheap chinese hardware, free online mapping.. track your kids, pets etc.. all advertised. albeit secure car tracking different kettle of fish!

    Anyway back to topic: you'd have to ask individual owners there must be so many different reasons why providers like Quiktrak went bust addressing this very market and so on..

    I'd develop my own just for fun and just because I can.
     
  8. wrxmike

    wrxmike Moderator
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    Mar 20, 2004
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    There are very few exotics that are stolen in Australia.

    Theft by joy-riders is virtually unheard of:
    1: Aussies pay so much for their exotics that they don't generally leave them unsupervised.
    2: Exotics are pretty rare, car would be pretty easy to spot.
    3: Bogans prefer Commodores

    Professionals don't seem to target the market.
    This is likely due to a number of reasons - primarily that the market is so small ( and cars are "known" that it's difficult to "re-birth" or sell parts of a stolen exotic locally.
    Secondly, It's comparatively difficult to get a car out of the country - Australia does not usually "export" used cars. Aussie cars are RHD, so the market for an exported stolen exotic car would really be the UK and some parts of Asia -and in those potential markets there are easier places to source cars from than Australia.

    The discounts ( or lack of ) given by insurers reflect the low risk of theft of exotics in Australia

    Lastly, Id suggest that most people would prefer the ca$h than their stolen and recovered car returned to them......

    M
     
  9. jmillard308

    jmillard308 F1 Veteran
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    I would be petrified about getting a "shotty" installation ;)
     
  10. deangpsx8

    deangpsx8 Formula Junior

    May 2, 2008
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    We deal with a number or insurance companies and we do hear of the occassional exotic being stolen (that didn't have a tracking device).

    That's when the insurance companies start regretting that they do not make trackers mandatory.

    Then when they do make trackers mandatory, they lose market share and relax the rules again.


    IntelliTrac also own Novatronics You may notice that the web site has not been updated for 5 or 6 years, because once again the car alarm market is dead.

    We factory fitted the EVO8 in 2004 and 2005 with a custom Australian made alarm system and the IntelliTrac X8 tracking device. It was rated the "hardest car to steal" in 2004 by the insurance industry, but of all the 200 EVO8 fitted, most owners did not continue their monitoring subscription at the end of the initial term.

    Mitsubishi went to another supplier for the EVO9 ( I can't comment, but the evo forums will give you the proper insights) and then abandoned GPS tracking on EVO10, due to low customer appreciation/acceptance.

    Holden had "Holden Assist" on the Stateman...and that seems to have fizzled out.

    Toyota had "Toyota Assist"....once again gone to oblivion.

    BMW and Mercedes had similar schemes which also didn't take off.


    At this stage we offer OH&S and security type services such as lone worker protection, man down alerts, sos alerts etc. to our corporate and government customers via our 24 hour security centre, hence we will not be shutting down the security monitoring service.

    Stolen vehicle tracking for consumer use simply piggy backs on this existing service and infrastructure and hence will not be shut down.

    Maybe we simply don't devote any further marketing resource to it.
     
  11. PAP 348

    PAP 348 Ten Time F1 World Champ
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    Dec 10, 2005
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    Sounds like a tough part of the market to capitalize on Dean. :):)

    Perhaps if more cars were stolen, then insurance companies would start making it compulsory to have trackers fitted? :):)

    When I chased up some insurance for my 348 a few years ago, I got a few quotes etc.etc. One insurer matched my quote of $1299 from Shannons, but they wanted me to fit a car alarm. :):)

    Now why would I do that, when Shannons doesnt require me to fit a car alarm? :):)

    So I went with Shannons, of course. :):)
     
  12. deangpsx8

    deangpsx8 Formula Junior

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    Shotty installation......

    Valid point and hence that was also addressed this by releasing prestige series products that simply have a 2 wire installation. +12V and GND.

    Most (NEW) exotics are fitted with the GPS device by our staff, at the dealership under the dealerships supervision and assistance.

    There were many problems in the past and Lamborghini would flattly refuse to have them fitted.

    Last year we began fitting some of the "prestige series" products for Lamborghini as they are totally non invasive.
     
  13. deangpsx8

    deangpsx8 Formula Junior

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    to dispell some myths and marketing hype (from our competitors..most of which have gone broke)

    1. In the last 9 to 10 years we have only had a dozen cars stolen and recovered
    2. We have never been asked by an insurance company or police to provide data leading to an accident.
    3. We generally do not track the vehicle or record live positions unless the client asks us to do so.
    4. The unit has a blackbox recorder and this is generally off. Unless the client requests it to be on.
    If you ring our control room and ask "where is my car" they generally cannot tell you, because in the stolen vehicle tracking section, the security staff can only start tracking a vehicle only when the vehicle generates an alert.

    If a car needs to be tracked, we require a police report first. Then the security staff call a director or senior manager of our company and only we can initiate tracking.

    The biggest complaint is:- " I rang your control room and you couldn't tell me where my car was. Does you system work?"

    5. We have NEVER immobilised a moving vehicle. We have immobilised a stationary vehicle to prevent it being started again.
     
  14. EfiOz

    EfiOz Formula Junior

    Jul 26, 2005
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    "1. In the last 9 to 10 years we have only had a dozen cars stolen and recovered"
    Probably why you're not selling bucket loads of them.

    "2. We have never been asked by an insurance company or police to provide data leading to an accident."

    Trust me, this is only a matter of time. And there is little you could do to block an insurance company accessing this info, let alone the police.

    "3. We generally do not track the vehicle or record live positions unless the client asks us to do so."

    I take this to mean that you're not denying you do track vehicles without the clients knowledge.

    "4. The unit has a blackbox recorder and this is generally off. Unless the client requests it to be on."
    Again, you use the word "generally". This is far from a solid denial.

    "5. We have NEVER immobilised a moving vehicle. We have immobilised a stationary vehicle to prevent it being started again. "
    Again, only a matter of time until this sort of thing is used for non payment of parking fines, road tolls, etc. This is not tin foil hat stuff, it has already been discussed and legal opinions have been garnered. It can , and probably will, happen here someday.
     
  15. deangpsx8

    deangpsx8 Formula Junior

    May 2, 2008
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    In terms of stolen Vehicle tracking Blackbox recorders are generally switched off and tracking is also swtched off

    These are only enabled at the customer's request. Hence data is not collected.

    The downside is that if something goes horribly wrong, those customers generaally regret the decision.

    Example which you can see on some other forums.
    300z in a panel shop taken for a joyride.
    Blackbox record was switched on. We provided the data resulting in clear evidence of the panel shops bad behaviour to the suspecting owner.

    Evo8. Booked for speeding. Blackbox recorder provided evidence of incorrect speed recorded by mobile police radar around a bend.

    Amg stolen. Assisted owner in having vehicle replaced due the speeds it was driven at and the thrashing it copped, that the insurer couldnot guarantee the long term mechanical affect cause by the stress on the car.

    There there are some clear benefits.

    Finally don't ever acuse us of having any alterior motives.

    It will be a very long time, many changes in legislation before we can distribute any data to third parties without the owners consent.
     
  16. jmillard308

    jmillard308 F1 Veteran
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    :D

    shotty: A term widely used in Natural Selection to refer to the shotgun.

    I think what you meant to say was "Shoddy" -
    1. Made of or containing inferior material.
    2.a. Of poor quality or craft.
    b. Rundown; shabby.
    3. Dishonest or reprehensible: shoddy business practices.
    4. Conspicuously and cheaply imitative.
     
  17. deangpsx8

    deangpsx8 Formula Junior

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    Thank you for correcting my grammar
     
  18. jmillard308

    jmillard308 F1 Veteran
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    You're/your/yaw welcome ;)
     
  19. deangpsx8

    deangpsx8 Formula Junior

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    Your next project is black jag's grammar and spelling
     
  20. jmillard308

    jmillard308 F1 Veteran
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    Tried that - a big FAIL! :(
     
  21. vegas1

    vegas1 F1 Rookie

    Jul 28, 2004
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    Alcoholics Enonemous.

    I've got Tom Tom installed in my iPhone so I don't need a GPS tracker for my 348 now.
     
  22. deangpsx8

    deangpsx8 Formula Junior

    May 2, 2008
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    Massive Fail
    Tracker does not equal navigator
     

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