Is there really no difference between 06 and 08 besides standard CCB?

Crud, that was two years ago and I did not even remember doing it. Just found the sheet with all the notes on it. There were a lot more than the ones I listed, but no F430 for me, so I must have done it for someone on FL.

 

That would lend credence to there not being any software or material changes to the cars, at least engine-wise, as Ferrari certainly wouldn't want to re-certify the cars.

I talked to Ferrari NA about the f1 trans software on the Masers, 355's, 360's and Enzos back in the early 2000's, and a lot of their updates were related to usability in different climates/conditions. An example they gave was somebody having issue in high altitude winter mountain driving in CO. that required slightly software tweaking vs. a car that was being operated in, say southern california. I'm sure a lot of these updates were to address small driveability issues and the new part numbers coincided with the new software revisions on them. If they had a TSB to reflash the older units, it'd likely be the same as having the newer unit with the new software already on it. Also, if you had a specific issue that coincided with one of their later fixes, they'd probably flash the tcu (if possible) or replace it with a later revision if it couldn't be flashed. You'd have to investigate what happened with each change as to whether it was something worth having or whether it'd just give an added driving mode for crossing the Sahara desert in auto mode or something minor like that.

 

Sorry for cross posting but there was a header change, see this:
http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/3 60-430/377467-f430-header-failure-can-happen-you.html

 

do you know when these changes were made in late 07?

 

Terry, are you sure these part numbers are for manual shift f430 cars. When i do a search on Ricambi site all i get is the 216930 that you mentioned and 217987, Thanks
Manual shifter cars
Part # 216390 until MY06
Part # 222251 through Assembly # 67970 and MY 06
Part # 231042 through Assembly # 71293 and MY 07
Part # 236837 from Assembly # 71294 until Serial # 157671, Assembly # 74556 till MY 08
Part # 241765 from Assembly # 74557, Serial # 157672 from MY 08

 

Upgrading the F1 pump costs as little as $450 for an aftermarket pump (Juri), new F1 relay, and fuse.

 

Terry, maybe you can help me to learn this. I see that 4 of your numbers listed are for both f1 and manual. You have 222251,231042,236837 and 241765. How can that be. My car F1 2007 for instance has 212619 on the drivers side and 231042 on the passenger. You have the 231042 listed as F1 also....Also since you cant take pm can you please email me. I have a question for you,,Thanks>>[email protected]

 

Too long ago. Parts caralogs could have been updated, etc. An F430 owner needs to follow up. So long ago I thought F430s had 7.3 instead of 7.1.1 like the 575s and early 612s and 599s.

 

When researching model years prior to buying my '05, I also heard about revisions to the F1 hydraulics, but no particulars like stated here. However, I was told they are TSB's and thus taken care of by at the dealers (paid for by Ferrari). I drove an '06 and an '07, but passed on both of them because they shifted too slow.. so perhaps they didn't have the TSB's done. When I test drove my '05, it shifted lighting quick... way faster than the '06 and '07 I test drove prior. Turns out it had all the updates done. I came from an '08 dual-clutch m3, so I'm not missing that too much

 

theres a company that rebuilds the actuators for a fraction of what the dealers charge. i wldnt hesitate to get an 05 to 07. i have an 06 and an 07.

 

It should be noted that 07 cars produced after August are really 08 cars. Ferrari uses the year the car is made. I have a November 07 car. It has all the changes made on the 08. The factory made the changes after being closed in the month of August for employee vacations

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In the US Ferrari uses model year, in the rest of the world they use build date.

 

They use build date in US. My November 07 build date is actually an 08 model car but still considered an 07 by Ferrari and on DMV registration

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Nope, it is and has been model year for as long as I can remember. You can buy a17' model year in 16' and it is registered as a 17'.

 

I guess they changed it. It wasn't that way when I took delivery of my car

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Nope. Read your own post. Your Nov 07 was a MY 08. Rest of world it would have been an 07. Has been that way for a long time. My Dec 71 Dino was a MY 72. My Euro Dec 1970 Daytona was a 70.

 

The no battery on / off switch, is good or bad???... mainly if I have the car resting for a month or so???... Kindly clarify...

 

It’s there, it’s just not a huge switch like before. You turn it off with an hex key. Yes, people turn it off when the car is stored, but it’s better to keep it on a battery maintainer and not worry about it.

 

Yes, generally speaking, the dealer is correct regarding the above changes on MY08 cars. They are a much better drive, particularly the F1 cars whose shifts are noticeably quicker and smoother when setting off. They have an extra pressure sensor on the clutch hydraulic system for better clutch operation; as well as a longitudinal acceleration sensor to judge the road gradient and adjust clutch operation accordingly. It is my understanding that these extra sensors were necessitated for the upcoming 430 Scuderia's incredible "Superfast2" application. (Note they are not the same gearboxes!)

You cannot retrofit these upgrades to earlier cars (at least not easily or cost effectively!) That said, the earlier F430s are still a great drive. And I probably wouldn't pick a zero-optioned MY08 car over an early MY05 car in a higher spec; i.e. one with carbon race seats, extended leather, Challenge wheels, carbon driver zone etc etc. Also I'm not convinced the factory headers being stronger either. Nor would I like my Ferrari to start up in "automatic" mode every time. To each their own.

It's also true, Ferrari removed the old handle type switch found on earlier F430s. Which is bizarre considering it's importance; and that the F430 switch was an improvement and more reliable than the rotary dial switch found in 360s and earlier. There is an interesting disclaimer on European MY08 F430s...

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Have had my '06 F430 since 2012...... I still have "that" feeling!!

 

Ha, i aint got mine that long yet at all (just 4 months now) but i admit, when driving home from work, i tend to drive past the garage where the F430 is stored, look at it for 5-10min, and continue my drive back home. it just sucks my driveway is too narrow to get the F430 into the garage... the ****ty thing of older dutch houses with garages or driveways, they tend to be wayyy to narrow for modern cars so i cant park it at home

 

I bought my gated 430 spider new in Dec. 2007. I still get that feeling every time I drive it. Over 55k miles of smiles

 

Maybe if you had an 06 and 08 with brand new clutch set ups could you tell the difference IMHO. I've driven 06-09 models, and owned an '07 & '06. Not one sticks out as clearly the fastest shifting car. The only mod that would make a big difference would be to remove the key from ignition, take off keychain, then replace everything below the keychain with a 458

 

Just to add a bit more info.
I went through the parts catalogue for the clutch and power unit.
There are several assembly number breaks. for the power unit mount 61588/61589, 69346/69347
And clutch 74556/74557 72729/72730.
The referenced my08 clutch pressure switch someone mentioned above is pn 203299 and is in assembly numbers 74557+.
My sept build 2007 is assembly number 74220, which interestingly has most of the new hardware updates, but still 300 cars before the MY08 computer change. which i imagine is the main difference.
The power unit, clutch, EV lines and pretty much all the big components are the same 05-08+. Looks like its just software and a sensor.

 

Plus new engine ECUs that communicate directly with the TCU over a dedicated line, because the CAN bus used up to that point wasn't fast enough to support the MY08 shift speeds