I am surprised to see the Boxer edge past the Countach, although it may have been a better condition/more original car in this case. .[/QUOTE] A 365 BB (it was not a 512) will certainly be worth more than an 88 QV CT. An S1 would be worth more than the 365 BB for now.
oke clear. I do not want to argue but it seems like a non deal breaker for anyone out there lookimg. But I am "even more happy now " that my 2/1977 steel car has this single support, incl the fully functioning springloaded roll-up mechanism
Well, I’ve couldn't say it better myself. Although the auction houses are normally way off in their description. This part is completely right. With all the talk on money we tend to forget just how fortunate we are owning these cars. I'm a 6 year owner now from buying my first 328 but, at home, still EVERY SINGLE DAY I visit my man cave to take a look at my cars. And really, after 6 years of ownership they still brings back the smiles like it was there the first day. After I bought my first Ferrari in 2008 I was really hit by the bug and bought some more. Never as an investment but purely because the only thing nicer than one 328 is a collection of 3x8s And that brings me to another topic. Several people stated the last weeks that if the prices continued to go up they would seriously consider selling. I really do not understand that. Why would you sell the car you fell in love with? Because it’s worth more now? For any damage you have insurance and purely from an investment point of view you could not have done a lot better. I really do not care about levels of pricing. I’m certainly interested in following it but merely from a point of Excitement rather than something else: finally these cars are recognized for what they are: Among the most beautiful, reliable and well handling (time correct)cars Ferrari made ever. I will not part. No matter what prices will do. Old fiats, Porsches, muscle cars are selling over 100K any day of the week. And discussing the bubble: our Ferrari’s should at least be on the same level, but taking into account their purity, they should fetch at least double. That's not a bubble, that just common sense.
Sorry, but I never, ever, go to any Ferrari meeting; that's a rule. Besides, if Yves is right, as I am sure he is, as you are in the business, you have vested interest on prices... And I still think 300 K before the end of the year for a steel carbed car is preposterous. Rgds
Simple: because there were so few made. Let's accept 460 Euro LHD cars as the most probable number build. Take away 15% for attrition, and 15% for cars modified for track use, to look like Group IV, etc. That leaves you with about 320 cars, which is not much. The owner's of these 320 cars: a) usually love their car and b) have been told for five years that their car is the "next Dino" and they see the prices climbing regularly. Why would they sell? I'm sorry to say this, but you are probably a little late... Rgds
OK, let's start a bet ! I bet, that ... early steel 308 GTB (mono marmitta , before 4/79) in realy, realy good condition (Cond 1-2) will be at 300k EUR before Newyear 2016. Edit: a early 308GTS (Cond 2- , wrong exhaust , bad detailing , etc) for 160k EUR !!! Ferrari 308 GTS - Low Mileage Gebrauchtwagen, Benzin, ? 160.000,- in Waterloo THAT is preposterous ! There are many other Ferrari models more rare than this. I don't think, that THAT is the fact. I think, the fact is, that the plastic cars have been the first model of the 308 GTB/GTS Series.
1. Sorry Markus, I don't bet; simple as that. And even if the prices would be at 300 k, it still will be utterly preposterous. 2. About the Vetroresina, the question of "Member" is why he doesn't find one at the price he is proposing, not why are those cars appreciating. My point of view is that the pool of cars for sale is simply very small, and that people who got one are not selling for the time being (especially if the car is original) I know very well that some models of Ferraris are much more rare: for instance, the 2-litre 208 GTB/GTS... Rgds
Sad to hear you never attend Ferrari meets...... Have NO vested interest in market values. Been repairing, servicing, restoring and track preparing Ferrari's and other Italian cars for 26 years. Have never and will never be involved with car sales. Have always been and will continue to be a true enthusiast with ONE goal, see the cars on the road working and preforming like they should. With prices climbing we will see fewer of them on the road, more of them tucked away collecting dust. The exact opposite of everything I work for. Classic Ferrari prices are obscene and when 308 prices are now close to exceeding restoration costs, that IS preposterous. The 308/328 design is one of the most well-balanced GT cars Ferrari ever built, a dream to drive on & off the track. A drivers car. And our car will be used accordingly, rain or shine, regardless of how cheap or expensive they become in the future.
Fine Hans, its now clear to me; you're forgiven...but mark my words: 300.000 euros for a steel carbed car before the end of the year: preposterous. I don't attend Ferrari meetings, I don't bet, but should you be in Paris in the next few months, shoot me a PM, we'll have lunch or dinner. Rgds
Much appreciated. Trying to find time to get to Retromobile, will let you know if I make it..... Hans S
I simply don't like these. I like to think that these cars were not made to be shown by the dozens (remember that here in Europe, before the year 2000 or so nobody knew what "detailing" means) and that our cars have "Gran Turismo" (= GT, then B or S) in their designation? These were made to be driven on the roads, this is their DNA, and if someone in a small village catches a glimpse of one when being driven, then he is lucky. Showing these gives me exactly the same feeling that when you are looking at a wild animal in a zoo: not the right place, not the right environment, etc...it's simply not right to me. But that's just me. Rgds
I have a great deal of sympathy for this pov. I don't like single marque meets either. And I'm certainly not interested in "detailing" my car. I occasionally enjoy visiting classic car auctions where at least most of the cars are different. By the way, Bruno, does this mean you avoid looking into you own garage because you have a zoo of 328s in there ?
Well, more or less yes, Paul; I would not deny that from time to time it gives me comfort to look at the two 328 together in the garage, yes. But what I find really rewarding is to take the car for doing "Turismo", or "Gran Turismo", then to stop in any remote place and see people gathering around the car; this not on sundays, but anytime during the week. I did the same when I was a kid and saw one of these: closing in, half in awe, thinking "this is my lucky day". A month or two I stopped with my GTB to "fill her up" at an anonymous petrol station; out of the blue came a kid with a camera, he asked very politely "may I shoot pictures of the car while your paying your bill"? Well, in the four of five minutes I needed to pay the bill, he must have taken forty pictures of the car; that made my day, really. Whereas I don't really see the point of "monomarque" meetings. But that's just me... Rgds
I will certainly be upset if that is true (having sold two last week).. But please send me the money at that time, as I have my eye on a nice 599GTB!!!
This is very well said, and recalls exactly the position of my last technician!! I feel most of the 'glass examples are locked away, there are a few like the Nevada Mustang Ranch car (left for dead outdoors) and maybe one or two hiding under a Koenig kit...But, the owners of such cars know what they have and are unlikely to sell off at a discount. Should you desire and find one in ANY condition, my advice would be to buy it and roll up your sleeves for the restoration work.....it will not be sitting in a cocoon with 'as new' paint and leather!!
This is still true today in most of my country.... Of course with a fine Shop up the street, an F40 cut in front of me for gas last week..... Still we must recall when a Ferrari of any kind was "rare" when our cars were new.
Absolutely no reason you can't do both - show and drive it. If you ever come to Pittsburgh, the PVGP is for you - massive classic/modern car show with non-stop vintage racing on closed public streets. There are plenty of people that have original cars, much older than the 308, and they drive them and show them at judged events. If you use decent technique and products, you really only need to "detail" the car once - ever. The rest is mainly minor maintenance of wax 6-12 months depending on product and use. That is about an hour of time to wax and remove the wax from a 308.
