Is this possible? PPI failed??

It seems that you either chose to ignore the two lines immediately following the portion you quoted, or you just didn't read the other thread. The assertion was clearly that Brian did both the major work on the car, and the PPI shortly thereafter that showed the car failing (miserably). From the thread referenced in the OP...

"When the owner was told of this, he was very surprized and showed paperwork witgh receipts for well over 5 figures on a servicing just 150 miles prior. The owner further stated that he had accepted all items the service shop had found and paid for every defect the shop had found to be resolved.

The name of the shop that performed the major servicing just 150 miles prior?
The Brian Crall Company."

Also, it seems that either UnderPSI is lying or Brian does (or did) PPI's. Maybe PSI had his PPI done several years ago. My assertion was that the claim in the OP was probably untrue (I doubt the veracity of the claim). Lots of Rifledriver fans here obviously, that's fine. I don't know Brian or have any real opinion of his work, I was just offering ideas on what may cause a car to fail a PPI shortly after having major work done to it.
BT

 

Just as a question - should you really say that a PPI either passed or failed?

Isn't the point of a PPI to state the condition of the car, and then let the buyer make up his mind about whether to buy it in that condition, offer less money for it, walk away, or whatever?

 

My apologies, the last two lines makes the unknown service shop clear. I don't know why I misread that as a repeat of the first lines.

 

so does that mean this thread isn't going to turn into 12 pages of finger pointing he-said/she-said accusations and get locked by a moderator thread? because we haven't had one of those in at least 3 days

 

Seems to be a contradiction here.

If there's any truth to the original claim of charging a guy $5k for work(everything he was told needed to be done) and then throwing him under the bus later with a failed PPI(that he charged for and for a car he previously worked on) is a little odd. Seems like we should be hearing the other side of the story to get more of the truth. What F-car on their current inventory was the work done on?

 

You are correct. An inspection is just that, it is entirely up to the "buyer" to make up their own mind.

A car with a number of serious issues might "pass" if the price is adjusted accordingly.

 

+1

It would be more accurate to say that the car failed (or passed) its PPI...not that a PPI failed or passed.

 

Besides the minor fact Brian's shop does not do PPIs, making the entire story BS from the start, there is the little fact that there is no "pass" or "fail" on a PPI. There is no little book of PPI inspection items that add up to a pass or fail, like a multiple choice or short answer test. A PPI is a report to a potential buyer listing problem areas found and whether they are easily correctable or not. The PPI could also have a buy or do not buy recommendation with it but even those may be conditional. However, it is up to the potential buyer whether to buy the car and wrestle with its faults or pass and continue looking for a better car.


Taz
Terry Phillips

 

Not a contradiction at all. Brian has stated previously (I don't have time to dig up the thread, but it revolved around a shop being sued for missing something silly in a PPI) that PPIs are NO LONGER a part of his business... too much time, too much head ache, too much risk (in case they miss something).

And it wasn't "$5k" of work done "150 miles ago"... it was "5-figures". As it's been pointed out, "5-figures" of work on a Ferrari doesn't necessarily make it a 100% car.

 

Oh come on now. What good would the internet be without a little good character assassination?

I have 2 cars here right now we are working on and I pray no one will ever give them a thumbs up in a PPI.

5 figures? Yea, so what? We have written many 5 figure bills on cars I would not give a thumbs up to on a PPI. BFD.

Like I said some cars it makes little difference no matter how much is spent.

You are also correct, we did but no longer do PPI's. The liability is the major reason but it is also turning into a part of the busines in which we just do not want to be involved. It is getting pretty slimey.




I'll bow out


Let the Witch hunt continue.

 

I wish Brian lived closer to me. Fchat is lucky to have him here.

 

I'm with Rifledriver all the way here. When I had my shop, I did the exact same thing for the exact same reasons.

I had MANY customers (most of them first timers) who brought the car in and when explained what was needed would say "well -- just get it running. I'm selling it." Or, "how long will it last this way?" or "can you put in used parts?" or "can you just stop it from [fill in the blank -- leaking, missing, grinding, squealing, slipping, popping out of gear, etc]".

I stopped doing PPI's with the exception of cars we knew or for owners or sellers we knew. There was little to gain as most of the new customers took their car too far away for us to service it anymore and if they didn't, most likely they would complain the first time it broke (and ask for a discount because we inspected it).

The only witch hunt needed is why someone posted it in the first place.

 

This is an accurate observation. There are plenty of happy customers of Brian's here on Fchat. With the high dollar nature of these cars there are bound to be a few people who are unhappy with work done for them, no matter who does it!

BT

 

+ 1 That's the real mystery, Sherlock. Maybe the OP will return and explain his motivation.

 

That's a very troubling picture, Ray.

Obviously a grieving firefighter's family, from the crest on the boy's shirt?
I don't think they are upset about a sports team loss there.

I know you pulled it as a spoof poster, but that's "bad" to use them that way...can somebody Snopes that one??

Glad to hear the other site is BS, just clinking the link 'blue screen faulted" my box here...

 

You have a valid point there.. my bad. Maybe I was a little hasty in finding the image to make that poster. Perhaps a mod can clean up my oversight on this one... I thought after the fact about that myself, but it was too late to edit the post. I wish Rob would extend the edit time a little bit

Yin?

Ray

 

Agree.
I saw that picture with obviously extremely upset little kids with a lone mother and immediately thought "what a tasteless thing to do to turn that picture into a spoof."

It should be removed.

 

Thanks.

 

Thanks.

4th Man Foundation
Houston Texas

Ferrari drivers especially, should ALWAYS value the efforts of our Firefighters.

I let them drive all the time!! Her crew gave her a hard time being so taken by the car.
I have a handshake deal for them to put me out FAST!!! THEN turn the car back rightside up.

They laugh about that.
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I have the same arrangement, with HPD's Helicopter crew......

 

+1

I didn't even catch the logo when I pulled the image. I e-mailed Yin asking him to delete the attachment.

Ray

 

I dont agree at all.

Stuff like this should be posted as it is disconcerting. Many people dont know Brian and to see car he serviced fail its PPI would cause anyone concern.

The beauty of making it public is someone like Brian who IS a standup guy will then pop on, explain the situation and then its over.

i am very happy with Brians explanation of how he can service a car and then not give it a passing PPI. It wouldnt have occurred to me unless he explained it....thats important.

I and many others just learned something.

 

Why would you say that someone is lying ?

Ive read both forums and I dont see any lying. I see two different perspectives.

If I were the owner of the car Id probably be skewed to their perspective. But as I have no dog in the hunt I see Brians perspective as more accurate

 

Brian. 'Nuff said. [He has responded on the site btw - In his usual "cordial & to the point" style. ]

Cheers,
Ian
PS - Glad my cars not in his shop right now

 

Mine was done in 2007