Yes the lack of loud sound sucks. No, it's NOT the end of F1. Relax people.
You miss the entire point. They've gone green. Once you go green as the reason to exist/survive you can never go back. That means this is the end of more displacement and more cylinders. The only time your kid will hear a big loud multi-cylinder motor in the future will be at a vintage event. I find that sad. This is the end. There is no going back now without being told racing is irrelevant and wasteful. This is the last formula.
Okay, so anyone that says they're done with F1, quit your whining and move on to whatever other series of your choice. Dare I say, you're all beating a dead (prancing) horse?
Fact. F1 is not dead. Far from it. This years formula is rubbish from a sound perspective, but the rest is just fine. Fix the sound and all the whining goes away. Unfortunately, fixing the sound is not easily done and will probably require big bucks as it is an inherent feature of the powertrain architecture used this year... Look for some temporary fix solution this year and a more invasive fix for the year after IMHO.
If you don't like the truth, you can go to Mac life and live with the fan boys eager to circle jurk (sp) each other. Where did I say I'm done with F1? I said this is the last formula we'll ever see. It's the end of more than 6 cylinder cars. It only gets worse from here because it's no longer a race. It's a politically correct statement needed as an excuse to not be shut down permanently.
The rest is fine? The second place car was disqualified for a valve supplied by the FIA that no one knew about before and makes no sense to anyone. The Lotus crashed into Massa because these new fly by wire brakes (needed for the kinetic energy systems) failed in the first corner. As to having more competitive racing, the Mercedes cruised to victory. Computer projections had it besting the field by two laps. So much for parity. The top to bottom cars are even more farther apart now. The fans on TV and in the stands are disappointed. The organizers are disappointed. This is just fine? By what measurement would you put "just ok"?
Of course it's not dead, but some people on here act like it is. My opinion, that other than significantly increasing the RPMs (+20k rpm) the sound is not gonna get to previous levels of loudness. We would need a twin turbo setup with two separate exhausts. I remember someone mentioning a thinner but longer exhaust but not sure how much that would help. First of all, I don't like the lack of loudness, BUT I'm not crying that I'm done with F1 and will not watch it anymore. Second, I never said you were done with F1. All I said was that anyone that says they're done with F1, to quit their whining about how they're done and not watching anymore, to put their money where their mouth is, instead of sounding like a broken record.
1. It was not a valve, it was a fuel flow sensor. 2. The FIA supplies this to ALL the teams, so they all knew about it. 3. Failures happen, have happened in the past, and will happen in the future. 4. It's just the first race. Come back after a few races, and if Mercedes is still walking away, I'll give you that one. That is if you're still watching by then.
Bob listen, I told you earlier, when Todt took over the FIA one of his main mandates was to make the sport greener, years ago I told my brother and others to go and watch a F1 race whilst they sounded like screaming banshees, because it won't last. Seems I was right. Like numerous folk have pointed out, new cars Ferrari included are embracing energy recovery systems and fuel efficiency ect, it's the way things are, is it so wrong that F1 is at the coal face of this technology. IMO we should enjoy or moan your choice, that we have at something to enjoy/moan about, because it's better than nothing.
Button made a comment about GP2 cars being faster etc some while ago. A friend of mine called me and so I looked into the matter. And we discussed it here on FChat also quite a bit. The reality is that under certain circumstances GP2 can get close to F1 times (tire degradation etc) but they never actually reach or even beat them. Some folks just don't bother to look up the facts.
I hate all this going green crap, wish who ever came up with it had it shoved so far up their butt it came out their noise.
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Makes no sense? Makes perfect sense to me or anyone that can read the rules. Red Bull willfully ignored the rules even after being warned during the race, they got what they deserved. Most years there's one car that is faster than the others, that's nothing new. Plus, it's the first race. Have you watched f1 before the last 2 or 3 years?
What? The motor ifself is only 60hp down from last year (less than 10% difference), so that's not it. It's due to there being a turbo in the way of the exhaust, which acts to muffle the noise along with lower rpm. Besides, I don't know why people care. I guess the same reason they spend stupid money to put mufflers on their cars that add no power. As for drivers or car manufacturers, you won't find a single one that would prefer a louder engine over a more powerful one, it's stupid.
But FIAT isn't only a car maker. FIAT also makes trucks (IVECO), FIAT owns a lot of the Italian motorway network (paying of course), FIAT owns publishing companies, FIAT makes tractors, FIAT has interest in oil refineries, FIAT is in media, etc... FIAT is a huge financial and industrial group in Italy. Car making is only a fraction of what it represents. It may lose money making cars, but the group is still very powerful.
1). Who gives a flying fart if it's a valve or sensor or black box. It's a gadget. 2). Of the 99.9999999999% of F1 fans watching the event, none of them knew about it until after a great drive they were rooting for ended in disqualification. for what appears to be a really dumb and obscure reason that was out of his control. 3). Your point is? 4). If Mercedes dominates as they are now, it will be a lot people than Fchatters who won't come back. It's ok for Mercedes to win but no one wants the races to be a forgone conclusion (including Ferrari). All these changes were supposed to even the teams with new innovations and a clean sheet approach. All it did is make the top runners even more stronger over the back markers. Worse, it's added silly regulations that defy logic to the causal viewer to make it seem like a farce. Seriously here-- what possible good did it do to "the sport" to disqualify Ricardo later that day? What good did the disqualification do to your typical F1 fan watching on a Sunday afternoon? My guess is nothing -- but it did a lot of damage. The next race it happens, look for a mass exodus. You can't build up and then disappoint fans like this forever.
Thank you Capt obvious. No one on Fchat knew this before. The money for Ferrari to race comes from the secret sweetheart deal in the Concorde agreement and sponsorships -- and selling engines to other teams. Ferrari could never race if it relied on Fiat's money.
Makes no sense to the FANS. Isn't that the point if having an event? Make the fans enjoy what they watch? It's easy to explain to a casual fan they had too much fuel in their tank. It's a lot tougher to explain that at the exit of turn 7 on lap 26, the fuel flow in the RB was measured to exceed the FIA standard. Can you not understand the difference? How does this help the sport to keep that fan wanting to come back next week?
Can you tell us why you have chosenm to be so obtuse on everyone of your posts? That's bordering on trolling now...
So I'm not a fan because I understand it? Read the FIA clarification, it's black and white. Red Bull not only broke the rule, they ignored it when told to adhere to it. It's not rocket science, it's simple. Rules state fuel flow can be x and has to be measured by y. Red Bull's fuel flow was greater than x when measured by y. They were told to fix it during the race and decided not to. Simple. Can you not understand that? How can anyone not understand that? They're the only team that couldn't do it.
Even you must admit you are not mr joe six pack who casually watches a race on Sunday. Sure you're a fan. You're just not a typical fan. Neither am I. Look, I'm the one for less aero, more driver involvement, less regulation and micro management from the FIA, more emphasis on mechanical grip, and getting rid of teams of computer whizzes thousands of miles away looking at endless streams of data telling drivers what to do in their cars. I'm ok with fuel regs but make them a part of the event instead if all of the event. I'm for making rules simple and easy to understand for the casual fan. I fail to see why I'm the bad guy here because the opposite of what I'm asking for is computer controlled "drivers" in electric cars racing on an Xbox governed by a bureaucracy the size of Brussels.
