Kinda ironic that the Ferrari team is associated with that saying. Of all the teams that's the one known for Grande Casino. Mamma Mia!
And they are moving to most if not all of the above. As they do, you will buy each and every model. Business like F1 rely on fanatics and not racing fans. This is not and has not been "racing' for a while. You have never liked the so-called "boring" race where the best car is out front but that is real racing. Handicapping cars is NOT real racing. Its like most sports have become....designing rules to keep things close so they can make money. Sort of like the many scripted so-called reality shows out there.
I think it is the opposite. The more passionate fans, the ones that have followed F1, motorsports in general, since birth, are the ones that have no problem with the new rules. One reason is that we have gone through rule changes many times before, and in every case, despite the complaining by the peanut gallery, things just got better. I am more interested in this season of F1 than I have for the last 5-7 years. And I have been following F1 since the days of names like Bandini, etc. Of course I was merely 3 years old at that time.......... Only Andreas is older than me. :} And I spent a few years in the pits of F1 in the era of Stewart, Lauda, Hunt, and Prost, so I have seen many changes. Hard for me to understand why any of us in the peanut gallery are being so negative. Do you really think that Bernie would allow any move, rule changes, etc., the would affect his bottom line become reality? Have any of us run a professional racing series for 20+ years? And to complain that F1 is ending because of the engine sounds? The people that run F1 pretty much know what they are doing, more than any of us. So if anyone is getting bored, it is not because of new rules, it is because the F1 show is boring. But, I really have hopes that these new rules will level the playing field, and there will be real competition on the track. For F1 to continue, they must target an audience that does not have knowledge of Lauda, Hunt, Prost, even Senna. Those of us that remember those days are soon in a minority. We are getting old. I agree with everything Andreas (Tifosi 12)has said. Times and priorities are changing. We are no longer in the mindset of times we would all agree were the best, the 70s, 80s, and early 90s. Life is different today. Change is necessary, if not, that would be then be the real end of F1.
Curious how you arrive at this conclusion. That is HIGHLY debatable. Congratulations. That doesn't mean squat. You must not have seen the articles where he is "horrified by the sound" and has stated that promoters have been complaining. Not to mention the fans... Yeah man, that race was sure CLOSE last Sunday!
What is the difference between a race fan and a race fanatic? All motorsports, all professional sports, depend on the show. Without a profit, they would not exist. The days of gentlemen racers like a Ken Tyrrell, are gone. I am surprised that Williams has survived. I have no problem with rules that improve competition. Without those rules, those secondary smaller teams would not exist, and I for one am not interested in an F1 series of 4-5 teams with 3 cars each. I read silly complaints about NASCAR being only a show, not racing. BS, F1 is an even bigger controlled show, even less racing. I can not remember many seasons of F1 over the last 40 years where there was an abundance of real on track racing. But there has been that show factor. Movie stars in the pits, interactive displays, ferris wheels, live sex acts, etc. Without that show, spectators go away, sponsors go away, TV revenue disappears. Then there is no F1, no NASCAR, no IndyCar, no IMSA. I accept that F1 is a business, a business for profit. And that includes the teams. If the new rules were so bad for the sport, I would think the teams would have joined forces and complained. They did not. T I would think they know more than us.
Also, for what it's worth, I love F1 and will continue to watch it unabated. I just wish they would address the sound and I am holding out hope for N/A motors again someday
Curious how I arrived at my conclusion? F1 is bigger today than it was even 20 years ago. Perhaps you do not remember all of the rules changes in those 20 years. There is no debate, you are wrong. One driver winning back to back championships has had the greatest effect on audience, not rules changes. Sorry my opinion does not mean squat to you. Why the need to get personal? So what will Bernie do about the sound of F1? Not much. Do you not think he knew that V6s would sound different than V8s? The sound issue is silly, the point is Bernie accepted the rules changes. The sound of those engines is a minor nuisance compared to positive changes of smaller engines, improved crash protection, etc. If you do not like the sound, do not watch, or turn the sound down on your TV. As for the competition factor in Australia, I never expected that the new rules would immediately improve the competition, if at all. But I do expect the new rules to increase the equality of the grid, and change the faces on the podium. Williams and Force India in the top 10? And the podium, sure looked different to me. Bottom line, complain all you want about F1 2014, but those in power, the team principles, they know more that you and I and everyone else here on FChat combined. I welcome these changes. Sorry your negativity will ruin your enjoyment of F1.
It is interesting that the Bernie and those that pay the fees to host the races are very unhappy with the sound and even Toto Wolff is stating that they may need to listen to the fans. While Bernie has shown that he does not need attendance at a track to make his fees (Korea, China, Bahrain, etc.) at some point he recognizes that there has to be a reason to attend the races. If attendance drops much at the gate, many of the non country sponsored events will need to lower the fees that can be paid to host the race. If there is not an incentive to go to the race live, I am afraid that the change in venue may be in offing for places like Australia, Germany, Canada another venues that are pushed to the limits. The deal needs to work for all parties at least on some level, the manufacturers need to be happy or they will take their toys and go home, the fans need to be happy or they will not watch and sponsors will be unhappy and the venues that host the events need people to attend or there will not be tracks to race at. I am confident that the parties will be able to make it work, all have to much $$$$ at stake (hopefully they do not ruin it like the CART/IRL debacle destroyed open wheel racing in the states).
Why we have rules changes, and how they have improved F1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7x2YDgXzss
bring back normally aspirated V12 f1 cars with huge fat rear tires and skinny from tires and we will have a show again
F1 is not over but it may be over for some fans while it will attract others. The thing I miss the most really is the ability to race and simply drive fast without worrying about some of these technical details (fuel flow this weekend). I will be watching a few more for sure as it still is the pinnacle of motorsport and is quite entertaining with the changes. In other news for those looking for some sounds the Indy Car season gets underway soon!
You can give a little bit of feedback to Ferrari about the new Formula in this poll (there is no question about noise). Ferrari gives the fans their say | Scuderia Ferrari
Taylor Swift has sold more records than Tom Petty, I guess that means she's better. Sound reasoning. Not getting personal, but your one opinion of this being a better season means literally nothing considering there have been loads of people dissatisfied with the sound and other aspects. That's just a fact. He did, that's why he was opposed to them. The only thing different is that Williams is a bit faster this year and Mercedes is the dominant car instead of Red Bull. Not exactly groundbreaking stuff. You're just excited because Massa will have a decent car. By the way, not sure how much F1 you've watched in the last few years but Force India has had countless top 10s and Williams won a race two years ago. The Merc won by 25 seconds and was in cruise control mode. Snooozer.
Sorry pal but here you are dead wrong, the cards have been reshuffled: - MB to the front - RB dethroned - Williams to the front - McLaren moved forward - Ferrari moved back, at least so far - Lotus fell way down the ladder Changing up the hacking order is good for the sport
The cards have been mildly reshuffled. This is hardly a new deck and will have no bearing on how entertaining the season is. This is not Brawn 2009. In fact, we may have a Red Bull 2011 situation on our hands which will really suck. Do I agree with this thread? No - because this is hardly the end of F1. F1 will continue to do very well. Like I said, I'll be watching. Not sure about spending money to see it in person because a big part of that experience was the sound, no doubt.
I'm sorry guys --- this is your future. Enjoy it. The days of V8's, V10's, and V12's are over. Better see those cars on Youtube clips and vintage racing from now to eternity. 5 years from now when you take your kids to an F1 race you can tell them about the glory days you used to know. But you can tell them how much better the racing is today because drivers can now "power slide". Image Unavailable, Please Login
I think that everything is going to change. And everything is a business, out there... We should be used to this situation (but I do not appreciate it) Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk.
I have no problem at all here with the new motors, the crowd, and the tires as they lock up with the brakes. Alot of what is actually going on can now be heard!! Its a touch more mixed up now than last year among the teams. We have new driver pairings etc. I love F1 I will watch every race and attend at least 2. Fans come and go. Dont like F1 2014?. Then make your play. I will be here and happy to see what is going on. I LOVE F1!
Most people complaining don't like the sound. For some reason people like to speak in absolutes and infer that this means they don't like F1 anymore. I don't think that's the case.
Yes I agree completely. Sure I have loved the previous motors but the new motors are interesting with their sound. Its not the same. Im trying to see the 'upside' for these early races. I hope fans will give it some time to develop and allow F1 to evolve this year.
http://youtu.be/jS4Dh_EAfJI It can't be "less green" than this.. What will they do/say next year? Is there anything "greener"? Is there a 15000 rpm rev limiter, right? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk.
It was a question because I wasn't sure about that I wouldn't like that I got it wrong Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk.
