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  1. aero

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    The car was last registred by a new owner on 17 FEB 2010, since the picture was taken with leafes on the trees you can assume it is still with the same owner. The APK (MOT in UK) has expired since 2012 so it is not allowed to be on the road (unfortunately).

    You can get that info for Dutch registred cars by filling in the licence plate number at the website; Particulier
     
  2. LNtoast

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    I know Lamborghini price have been on the rise, but are are modified Isleros really $400K cars?

    1968 Lamborghini Islero
     
  3. Olivier NAMECHE

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    modified or unmodified that's what they worth now.

    Why should they worth less than a 400 GT 2+2 ? I still don't understand.

    It is exactly the same frame/engine/gearbox/differential, only the design is different, it is more practible to drive, less hot inside and more roomy.

    400.000 USD is still a low figure for what it is compared to 400 GT 2+2 market price around 550 to 600,000 USD

    I know another one brand new, fully restored by Top Motors in Italy for 430.000 €, it is silver/black, ready to drive immediately...

    and I know the other one I posted earlier previous page, that is a very good deal to finish to restore, sale price is 240,000 €, so hurry up before it is gone...
     
  4. Olivier NAMECHE

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    correction : 430.000 USD not €uro
     
  5. Olivier NAMECHE

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    correction 2 : 240.000 USD not €uro
     
  6. jonack

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    Wow, that's good for me! As I think my car is better than this yellow one. IMHO! Ha. Actually last year I was at fantasy with my car they offered me $175k us. Luckily I turned them down.... I guaranty every time I visit their shop they ask for and about my car...
     
  7. redbull_v12

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    Here is a picture of my 6222 after some bodywork... [​IMG]
     
  8. jonack

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    Well if Maserati Ghiblis are headed to $500 k US than this car should be to!
     
  9. Olivier NAMECHE

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    SOLD..... TOO LATE
     
  10. Olivier NAMECHE

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    Andrew,
    Well, I'm happy for its current owner J.

    But, I'm against the fact it is labelled commonly as "Ferruccio's Islero"... so I keep going to protest !

    I have identified 2x others Islero, that have been used personnaly by Ferruccio one before and one after that VIN-Telaio while that car is not identified as Ferruccio's car, since no picture shows it with Ferruccio, no witness confirm this too, but for the 2x others : YES....

    That car has never been recorded personnaly or by a company owned by Ferruccio : NEVER.

    Its documentation provided is not suficient to demonstrate it is Ferruccio's car as I already explained in my previous posts, and like it will be documented in my book... the opinion of an owner self writing he BOUGHT "God's car" is a human attitude.

    How many on this board already claimed they have a special lamborghini ? hundred ?

    Many believed they own one special that is not so special in fact, but they still believe... the few who owns/have owned a real documented special car, know what they speak about.

    How many times "Myth & Legends" that cannot be confirmed by the factory have vanished since evidences show up ?

    Plenty, despite owner's concern or contest.

    More than that, the speudo letter signed by Ferruccio is apparently a fake. At first there is NO original, just a copy of a copy... Historically, what value can be given to that ?

    But more than that, Ingrid Pussich confirmed me recently (last 9th May) that letter that was never written by her of her staff due to details that will be also described in my book... as well as the wood parts that has nothing to do with RIVA, but were added later... after the car left the factory, since nobody remembered about (among 44 people I've interviewed) !

    The only one fact, I agreed with is : it is a very nice restored Islero, like many others...

    But it will NEVER reached the quality of #6300, ex Edmondo Lamborghini's personnal car, so well restored and with a clear PERFECTLY documented history file recorded by the factory...
    that the reason #6300 finally ends in one of the top collection of Lamborghini worldwide !!!
     
  11. joe sackey

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    Olivier,

    Hope you are doing well.

    A couple of questions if I may:

    Can you tell us when your Lamborghini book will finally be published? Also, will we be able to advance-order the book, and in that instance, can you clarify who the Publisher will be?

    Also, can you tell us when Islero 6009 Lamborghini Islero will finally be finished & debuted? If it was already finished and at this year's Le Mans Classic as it's website suggests, I missed it, however, will you be publishing images of the car's historical documents and its restoration, or will they be saved for the book?

    Best,
     
  12. Olivier NAMECHE

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    Dear Joe,
    As you sure know, writing a book is not a life priority when it is not your earning to feed your family. At first, I take care of my family, wife & 4 kids and I run my business (in our difficult europan market), so it doesn't leave to much time for the book.

    My wish is to publish it in 2016, if I can...

    I will not bring my book to an editor to make him taking the profit while you get 10 to 15% commissions. Because I hope to have enough ressources to produce it myself when it will be ready.

    Also, as you mentionned yourself, you lost control of some détails with an editor.

    All this publishing matter has been well studied with a professionnal contractor, as my book will be in a limited edition.

    Regarding #6009, yes, all its documentations will be revealed in the book, since I spent 20 years to chase it... and since I met Paul Rilly in 2007 who provided me all the original documents of Le Mans 24Hours registration.

    You mentionned the website in which the car is presented, where I shared already some infos to the Public. Actually it is in a waiting list at the paintshop. Again, restoring a car represents a budget that is not a priority, for few it may be very fast (a year or 2) for others it can take years... I'm in the 2nd category.

    I wish you a good time at Monterey...
     
  13. joe sackey

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    Olivier,

    Regarding the book:

    In this era, self-publishing is a losing proposition, a commercially unprofitable venture, one which any astute businessman would avoid! In fact, anyone prudent would tell you they'd rather take 100% of 15%, than dig a six-figure hole for themselves!

    How do I know all this for sure? Ive published 2 books (below) quite successfully, they have both been and continue to be a profitable endeavor. The Miura book has been published in 3 languages and is on its third edition. The GTO book has a reading audience 5 times larger than the Miura book by virtue of Ferrari demographics, and it too is headed for multiple language publication and multiple editions. I studied self-publication, VERY carefully. Allow me to share what I learned regarding what self-publishing really costs & entails.

    Launching a book is like launching a start-up company, if you do it right. Putting together a quality book involves not just writing it, but getting it properly edited, not just for facts, but for grammar (nothing destroys a writer's credibility more than a poorly-edited book). Then getting it formatted, designing a cover, printing it, and having a marketing strategy around it so that it not only gets properly distributed but continues to be accessible to the public.

    Once you’ve written your book, a Developmental Editor is critical. Many authors think they don’t need an editor, but everyone needs at least some type of editor. This is a no-brainer. Not having an editor is like not testing a drug before it goes out into the marketplace, absolutely nuts! A good editor can evaluate and critique your manuscript, suggest and provide revisions, and shape it into a smooth, workable piece. They look at the big picture and make sure everything flows and is consistent. The cost of a good editor for a large 300-page book can be as much as $20,000 when all is said & done, considering a manuscript page that’s 250 words per page etc.

    Once your manuscript is in good shape, the next step is to have a Copy Editor or line editor to go through and catch spelling mistakes and adjust for grammar, punctuation and consistency. This is especially important if the book is to be published in English and that isn't your first language!

    Then, you need to have the cover properly designed, because, whether we like it or not, readers judge how a book looks on a shelf, and in today's digital world, it’s important that your cover design be optimized for print, and digital thumbnail sizes - how it looks on a mobile device etc.

    You might have your own images, but you'll need to purchase licenses to use historical & press images, so, unless you are a brilliant photographer yourself, with a comprehensive file & historical library already paid for, your book will entail costs for purchasing the rights to publish library images. If you don't do this, expect lawsuits! Another no-brainer, but a significant cost.

    Printing - our books were shipped off to the Far East to be printed, and I can tell you the initial printing is a six-figure commitment for any serious book produced in a viable quantity. Most people have no idea of the cost of producing a book!

    You'll need to get an ISBN (International Standard Book Number) is recommended if you’re doing a print book or want it placed in a library. A lot of third parties sell ISBNs, but if you don’t purchase your own ISBN you may not be listed as the publisher of your own work! If you plan on only selling your book in e-book form, then you do have the option of skipping the ISBN and using the default numbering system for Amazon, iBooks or BN, but your scope of success is limited this way.

    In order for your book to succeed, you'll need to promote it. Like crazy. This means getting reviews pre-publication on sites blogs, & magazines. Trust me, this is important, or the book's sales will simply fizzle out and you'll be left with boxes of unsold books to remind you of your shortcomings! Marketing & PR is probably the toughest part after you’ve written the book. You can pay someone to help you market the book, or, a good book publicist can get you some press pickups. Quality Promo in not inexpensive.

    A lot of information, I know, but to me, one of the smartest things I ever did was to get a great Publisher (in my case based in the UK), who edited, printed, marketed, and continues to distribute the books. My only involvement at this point is to watch how the royalties are accumulating! Take it from me, self-publishing doesn't pay, and I would never recommend anything other than finding a great Publisher. There is a reason partnerships exist.

    Regarding Islero 6009:

    I'm very curious to see the car's historical documents & records which establish its provenance, see what was done during the restoration, see how the finished car presents itself, and, of course, see & hear it on the track at Le Mans! I'll fly over for that one in person.

    Best,
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  14. Olivier NAMECHE

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    I appreciate you shared your skill in this matter.

    Several options :

    1. working with an editor like you did

    2. do it myself in limited production, let's say 500 books worldwide (why not per language... Italian, French, German, English, Spanish, Chinese, Japanese)

    3. do it myself under official contract signed with Lamborghini SpA & Lamborghini Merchandising & License

    All these were well studied, the one I'm rejecting is the 1st, but it is open door for the others.

    Actually, I have a copy editor and an advisor specialized in production of high quality books.

    Among my work, I have already collected more than 200 periods pictures never released before in any books...

    Like you and others, I have direct contact with Klemanski & Spisley for the Zagari & Coltrin pictures... but I have so many others contacts who gave me full rights to publish their own pictures for free !!!

    Besides, I have my own pictures collected for 30 years, that represents +/- 12.000 pictures, in addition to that I have also my personnal Automobilia libraly, so rich in documentations source.

    I'm writing the book in French, much easier to do it in his mother language.
    For the translation in English, I don't have the level to do it myself and I reach your comments... but I have someone to do this job.

    Feel free to comment, as I never did this before, writing a book is a new experience, I have already met or spoken to people like JF Marchet, JM Borel, S Passini, P Lyons.

    Dallara & Stanzani help me also very much...

    Again, I hope to have enough ressources to produce it myself when it will be ready, if not the Editor may be the final issue to release it one day...

    Regarding #6009, it was a thrilling experience similar to Hercule Poirot... be awared that Peter Auto got its file and admited it is the unique Lamborghini eligible for the Le Mans revival.

    Among documents, there are :
    1. subcription
    2. technical form
    3. weight & qualifications run + stamps
    4. official letter from Préfet de la République identifying the car VIN-Telaio
    5. title
    6. many period documents & pictures
    7. when I started its restoration, I shoot several pictures showing evidences of the Le Mans tuning : roll cage holes on the floor, cap welded on the rear trunk to mask the Le Mans quick refuelling cap, the holes in the passenger doors at the right location of the lateral light to show the number of the car during the night...

    At least, if I cannot finance the race at Le Mans revival, we may find some sponsors on this board... or it can make also a presentation lap on the track during the Clubs Parade and be displayed on the Lamborghini Club France stand.

    Cheers
     
  15. joe sackey

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    Good luck with the book & the car!
     
  16. staatsof

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    They are? Can we at least wait until it actually happens?

    I don't think an Islero has near the same visual design appeal as the Ghibli but then Maserati GT cars have traditionally been underdogs since about 1980.

    Once could say the same of the 350 and 400GT and look where they've gone.

    Who has the crystal ball?
     
  17. bb4635

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  18. Olivier NAMECHE

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    Thanks Bruno

    This Italian model company contacted me early 2014 and I supplied them many pictures of #6009.

    I was expecting they will send a model for free... wrong thought... they never send one, so I finally bought it on Ebay, strange world !!!
     
  19. jonack

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    Has anyone contacted Bill Noon regarding the asking price for his red Islero GTS?

    Bill are you on here? I'm curious what you folks are seeking for the car.

    Thx

    john
     
  20. Olivier NAMECHE

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    Oliver- ive seen and know thet yellow car at Fantasy Junction, i first saw that car at Rosso Steel (?) auctions in 2007 where it was a no sale at high bid of appox $65k or so i beleive it sold after the auction for just a bit over the auction price . . Bill noon at symbolic Motors also has a nicely restored Islero GTS for sale ...

    John
     
  22. jonack

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    The Simbolic Islero is #6531
     
  23. Olivier NAMECHE

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    2007... that another era as it seems so far from the current market , isn'it
     
  24. rick botting

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    Does anyone have a copy of a wiring diagram of an Islero ? Does one even exist. I am finishing a restoration on #6423 , early S, and am using an Espada diagram, but that does not have pop up headlights
    Any help would be appreciated

    Rick Botting
     
  25. Olivier NAMECHE

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