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  1. amenasce

    amenasce Two Time F1 World Champ
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    They claim it was one of the 1965 Sebring car. The documentation i received back then from the dealer was a recount of the Sebring race.

    Anyone knows what chassis it is?

    The asking price last year was 670.000 CHF. I am sure it is more today.
     
  2. MRG22

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    The two Iso/Bizzarrini cars in the 1965 Sebring race (210 & 214) were destroyed in the race. No. 214 was split in half. Max Balchowsky took the pieces of both cars back to California and arranged to have them assembled into one car which has not been seen since 1965 or 1966. I published a first hand account of this race on My Car Quest written by C. Rino Argento who helped Giotto Bizzarrini manage the Iso/Bizzarrini team for that race.
     
  3. velocetwo

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    i own the original engine to the A3C Balchowsky car. Documented.
     
  4. MRG22

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    Yes, the engine has been found but not the car.
     
  5. amenasce

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    So what does that make of the swiss car?
     
  6. velocetwo

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    I have pictures of the car after it was finished in Los Angles, it didn't look like it did during the race. I would be willing to meet and discuss this with anyone who thinks they have 210/214
     
  7. ferraris527

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    All real insiders of Bizzarrini world known that the Swiss car is a fake built in Italy 5 or 6 years ago, and the body was mould from the 7 Liters Le Mans 1966 Race car.
    Body Which is unique and absolutely not a ISO A3C ...
    Then the body shop built a alloy car with special chassis and the buyer put a number on it just to go racing. The actual owner (Luttzinger) of the car known that the car is fake, but still try to sell it stupidely at the ex sebring racer.
    Life is the jungle
     
  8. Jack KdH

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    In fact this story seems to be correct. The car was built by Vincenzo Marciano in Ponsacco. I have the feeling this workshop is often used by people who are interested in replica cars......
    But also other well known workshops in Italy are willing to produce replica cars with no chassis number stamped ...
    Ciao,
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  9. Ed Niles

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    Hi Velocetwo. When I bought 210/214 from Max, I opted to not buy the engine. But Ralph Brouett, to whom I sold the project and who finished it, claimed that he put the orig. engine in it. 210 or 214, I dunno. All a great mystery where that car could be. The best hoarder around here was Rudi Klein, but his sons say it is not in their warehouse.
     
  10. velocetwo

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    #311 velocetwo, Dec 19, 2013
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    This is correct, after purchasing the car from you Ralph went back to Balchowsky and purchased the Sebring engine and installed it.

    Later when Ralph sold the car the buyer took it for a test drive and said he liked the car but the engine was too wild. He told Ralph if he (Ralph) could put a milder engine in the car he would buy it.

    That was a easy solution because Ralph had your engine sitting in his garage, so the swap was made. The race engine came out, your engine went in, car was sold...... and the race engine then sat in Ralph's garage for all those years.

    The buyer kept the car for a few months and then it showed up on a used car lot, spotted by Ralph...... then it disappeared. Never has been seen since.

    Here is a photo of the car after it was finished that I received with the engine.
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  11. MRG22

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  12. velocetwo

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    No please contact me as I have the engine
     
  13. Ed Niles

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    Or me. That's my photo, taken at Sal DiNatale's shop just as I wheeled it in after purchase from Max B. Sal's son Jimmy at the rear wheel.
     
  14. MRG22

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    Ed - what was the chassis number used for the combined car? Based on the photos it looks like the front end of No. 214 was in the best shape so was 214 the chassis number used since the chassis stamp is in the engine bay?
     
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  20. velocetwo

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    That's a bad ass ride!
     
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  22. benmou

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    If some people built chassis, Mr Hartog is also a partner of theses dutch people who have built cars, and Mr Hartog is now in a bad position with the police
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