430 Issue with Art @ EAG, his swap, and his authorized installers.

is this Omar's old car that had salt water damage and needed a harness?

 

define “swap” please.

 

Wait so is this omar’s old car? If so we can move on.

 

Neither my scud or 430 have any lights. My cousin’s CS is getting converted and im willing to bet it wont have any lights either.

 

9 posts and how many are hostile? Are you a troll?

 

Just please keep it nice guys. Totally agree there are two side to every story.

All I can see right now is no history from you and I know everyone in the gated conversion industry. After all I've helped them all at some point. Everyone doing it professionally, all the smaller startups to the bigger players like EAG who have done hundreds of successful conversions.

Yes there will be issues from time to time with both smaller and bigger players and most of the time they can be easily fixed too but airing dirty laundry in public never REALLY helps resolve things. Why not just pick up the phone and call a vendor who you've got a beef with....

Usually get a better response too...

 

Eh, issues or not, I'll never buy into it. It's not OEM, and since the cars didn't come that way from the factory, it's money most will never reclaim (hope you plan to own your car forever). Plus, F1 is faster, cooler (IMO) and knock on wood, I've never had an issue in the 6+ years I've owned my F430.

 

I dont have any skin in the game, but it makes sense to hear out people who have had issues with post-conversion service follow through. Especially, since EAG is often dangling extended service carrots for the BAT auctions.

I’m a big fan of conversions, gated CS would be perfection

 

Some people will never be a gated shift driver and that's absolutely fine, a purely preference thing and nobody should be derided for personal choice. Entirely justifiable your position.

For the rest and there are many gated enthusiasts with cash waiting to buy their "dream spec car". If it's not available why not convert? That's precisely where the difference between head and heart interplays. Gated shifting is very engaging and a lot of fun too, just different to flappy paddles. (I own both by the way but my paddle shifter is a dual clutch). They are just a different experience. Both fun in their own right.

Also let's face it there are no "non-reversible" elements bar cutting a brake pedal (personally I would have just made a full set of new pedals than cut anything!) Or source a OEM one.

As for the money [emoji383] element well it seems so far to have had little impact on the premium converted cars have come resale. Very little difference if done well between OEM and conversion car and why should there be unless your a purist? And if so you are probably looking at much less mass produced Ferrari's than a 360.

The final important point worth raising now is that Magneti Marelli the original manufacturer of the OEM parts no longer exists and many parts are NLA so just having this option is a must have for keeping these cars on the road for future generations to enjoy (assuming they resolve supply of fully synthetic green fuels !). What would you rather have a broken F1 with no parts to fix it or a working gated?

 

Where did you get that one from? A simple google and they are in business, they were spun off from Fiat and just merged with another company and are now just called Marelli. This stuff happens all the time.

 

Issues with EAG/Art seem pretty common, however there is a hell of a lot more info needed to try and claim that the Christmas tree of lights has anything to do with the conversion. You're not going to start running lean, etc. due to an outer tranny mechanism swap.

 

Yes it's all true, however from our point of view it divested into a completely different thing, it's only Marelli by name , afaik the new entity is unwilling to support (or so it seems) these older systems and their parts and isn't legally obligated to either.

Try searching for parts availability on these selespeed / F1 system parts fitted and many critical sensors and other parts now exhausted with people I spoke to in Ferrari dealers suggesting they won't be replenished at any point in the future.

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I think you'll find many cars that go in for a conversion at any of the known suppliers like EAG are now at least a decade old and they go in with issues to begin with so it's hardly fair to blame everything on whomever converted a car.

Some cars like 360s are even approaching 20 years old. Great age for vintage Whiskey by the way So many aren't "perfect" to begin with. Many (not all) are neglected at this point, particularly if they have high numbers of owners who enjoyed for the summer and sold on before maintenance deferring indefinitely. I am always shocked at the state of many 360s when I visit some of the maintenance garages with owners unwilling to pay for fixing as they should.

For successful outcome in any conversion (regardless of who does it) requires fixing of all the deferred maintenance and botches before if the car is touched. If the car is going to be enjoyed again and driven hard all the issues should be addressed beforehand.

Unfortunately many owners are not technical enough to differentiate between issues caused by external factors (such as wiring loom damage caused by for example flood damage as has been implicated in this example) and issues caused by a conversion process.

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I wasn't making a comment on parts availability, you would know that better than me, I was just commenting the company didn't go out of business.

 

I have never said two words to Art or anyone at EAG, and obviously don't know the OP. I also have n plans to convert my scud ever (I've grown to appreciate the unique experience it offers in contrast to my other manual cars). And even though I have no dog in this fight, since the OP has put all this out there I guess its fair game for me to add my two cents LOL! So far, we know the following for sure (because the OP has admitted it): 1) the car had/has underlying electrical issues and damage; (2) the issues with his car are not mechanical, they are electrical. We also know for sure that not every EAG car has issues, so its clearly not true that EAG is just winging it and saying a hail mary with every conversion that it performs. If that were the case, there would not be so many successful conversions out there running around (and this community, of all communities, would be all over it and EAG would already be out of business).

Of course, none of the above proves, in this particular instance, whether EAG screwed up or if this car were screwed up to begin with. Who knows, maybe a mistake was made. I don't know. But what I do know is that there is at least as good a chance as not that this car's issues are due to no fault of EAG, and if that's the case, and there is no actual probative evidence that EAG screwed up, its not right to come onto a forum and start casting aspersions under such circumstances. IMHO (and its just my opinion), that is something you do as a last resort when you KNOW (i.e., can prove) that the vendor/contractor screwed up, and the vendor won't own it. Even then, if you have such proof, there are better ways to go about it rather than trying to harm someone's business (i.e., file a small claims suit, file a BBB complaint, etc....).

One final comment, if I'm candid, I don't buy the OP's attempt to cast his post as motivated by some altruistic desire to "warn" others or simply tell a story. That's not why folks "go public." He wants something and figures he can exert some leverage by causing a bit of reputational/business harm. Sorry, that just feels wrong under these circumstances. If you think you are right and EAG is wrong, there is a "right" way to go about it. Again, I'm not taking a side on who is "right" on the substance of this dispute (i.e., who is at fault for the "Christmas Tree,"), but the approach here doesn't feel right to me.

 

EAG doesnt have access to fchat or has that changed?

 

Excellent

 

Sorry.. I got lost with the words "Salt water". It trashes electrical systems and there is a reason why salt water flood cars (and fresh water for that matter) are junked. Any salt water exposure to the harness in the car before the conversion creates tremendous doubt that any electrical issues AREN'T from this. You'd have a hard time convincing me a conversion caused it versus preexisting corrosion.