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ITB's for the 550

Discussion in '456/550/575' started by Cribbj, Apr 26, 2015.

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  1. Cribbj

    Cribbj Formula 3
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    Here's a little project I've been playing with while waiting for my block to come back from being overbored:

    http://vid169.photobucket.com/albums/u228/cribbj/MVI_6388_zps4n4phthr.mp4

    I've posted a complete thread on the engine overhaul elsewhere, but I know some of you don't frequent the other places, so I thought I'd go ahead & post here as well. These ITB's are only intended to be a temporary setup - if I like the way the engine runs, then I'll invest in a set of Jenvey's and some proper flanged mounts.

    These are good enough for a proof of concept, and breaking the engine in on an engine dyno, IMO.
     
  2. gsjohnson

    gsjohnson Formula 3

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    Great project, as well as good eye candy... :) Can't wait to see the results...
     
  3. fatbillybob

    fatbillybob Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Great project. It would be an impossible conversion for California Smog but Making a gob of naturally aspirated easy horsepower could push me over the edge of making that 550 racecar I always think about building. Keep going!! What are you doing about engine management?
     
  4. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    John- Those look great. What are the implications of the single vs dual length intake runners for your 550?
     
  5. Cribbj

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    Taz, I "may" lose some low end torque due to the ITB's, but I should gain it back (and more, I hope) with the extra half liter of displacement when we go from 5.5 to 6.0 liters. I don't anticipate the ITB's will be the restriction on the top end, however :) I need to get one of my heads on the flowbench and see what kind of flow it's capable of with the stock valves.

    With the increase in bore, my intake valve / bore ratio has dropped from a very healthy 53% to a still respectable 50%. Although I understand why Ferrari detuned the 550/575 engines to make them more tractable, I'm amazed they have some of the lowest specific outputs in the Ferrari family at only 88 BHP/Liter. So IMO they have the potential to be some real screamers with a little massaging :)

    Carl, I'm going to try something kind of bizarre, and if it works I should be able to pass an OBDII scan. I'll email you the details.

    Thanks GS, me too :)
     
  6. Trabots

    Trabots Formula Junior

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    John, very cool. I have done 60-100mph testing with both short and long intake paths fixed on my 575. Both fixed paths lost a couple of tenths from the stock variable system. As my test is in 3rd gear only, around 4600 to 7800rpm I would have thought the fixed high rpm intake path would have at least matched the variable path, not lost some power.
     
  7. pma1010

    pma1010 F1 Rookie

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    Waayy cool John. I bet the sound will be amazing. That alone ought to get Carl off his seat to strip a 1000 lbs from the beast, dump the 'Vette and race an Italian product. Didn't V10 BMW have ITBs? Philip
     
  8. Cribbj

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    Hope so Philip; I have to admit I'm doing it more for the "cool" factor (looks and sound) than more performance. To me the 550 already has a great balance of beauty, power, sound, & handling. I'm just hoping to enhance a couple of those points.

    Willy, you're probably aware that many aftermarket mods like cold air intake pipes, or cool looking CF air boxes, etc. actually lose power, as the OEM's really do a pretty good job of "tuning" their intake designs for best performance, so anytime owners meddle with the design, they'll probably hurt rather than help the performance. As I mentioned before, I do expect to lose some low end power with the ITB's, but that should be offset by the increase in displacement. What I'm really curious to see is what will happen with the top end. With 12 x 42mm butterflies the engine will now have twice the intake area to breathe through as it did with the two stock TB's which have 73mm butterflies.

    I think we discovered awhile back that when Ferrari redesigned the 575's air intake system from the 550, all components (TB's, MAF's, airboxes, piping, hood scoop) were made a bit larger, which I find very interesting.)

    I don't know the exact sizes of the 575's butterflies or MAF's, so if any of you 575 owners happen to have yours apart, and could measure their diameters, it would be appreciated. That and the ID of the inlet piping?
     
  9. sherpa23

    sherpa23 F1 World Champ
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    This is pretty stellar. I can't wait to see/hear the results.
     
  10. pma1010

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    John, there's the shower head style from the Ducatis too...
     

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