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  1. Steve355F1

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    Yep.

    Of course the LNP has had their issues over the years with individual pollies, but I'm not aware of any previous occasion with so many senior ministers / shadow ministers getting the arse in the space of a week, with more to come.

    The whole branch-stacking thing is so ingrained in the ALP it is way past time it was exposed - particularly in relation to the use of migrant communities.
     
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    I still think the cameras in the Fed office are going to prove an interesting scenario.....
     
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    Your memory isn’t long enough - virtually whole 1980s Qld state government from NP Premier down was totally corrupt. Only reason LNP doesn’t have branch stacking is their preselection process is different (branch stacking doesn’t help).
     
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    Joh escaped jail by having a "friend" on the jury :rolleyes:

    Russ Hinze was a piece of work .... the only thing he could win fair and square was the belly flop comp







    My father loved him ..... not a very good judge of character
     
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    I know a lady who was best friends since childhood with Terry Lewis’ wife and even though she knew logically that he was a crook, all she could ever say was “but he was such a nice man!” . The most successful crooks are always the ones who look least like crooks.
     
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    ^^^^^^^What’s changed in 30 years is people DID take action; had nothing changed from 30 years ago we would be in a very different place than we are now. Bit like the people who think Y2K was a scam, forgetting that a lot of people took action to avoid the problem. And population growth - imagine what the world would be like now if 60s growth rates had continued, especially in China...
    Of course he’s correct about the nutter commentators like AOC, but no one who can think for themselves believes her any more than, say, Andrew Bolt’s opinions on science.
     
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    I'm in the IT industry Karen and I assure you Y2K was a scam, wildly beaten up by consulting firms who made money out of advising scared companies.

    As for "a lot of people took action", the reality is that China and India's growth in emissions dwarfs the rest of the world and I strongly suspect that the numbers they report are well understated.

    But CO2 doesn't matter, the real concern is the amount of particulates both countries emit, due to farcical pollution controls, which end up in the lungs of all countries to the east of them.

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  9. moretti

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    I resent that, I made a LOT of money from advising companies where they MAY have some issues with missing parameter fields.

    Large companies like Comalco spend many millions with associates of mine going through their source code making sure routines linked correctly.

    IBM were the scammers, fuching crooks of the industry along with "consulting" firms like Andersons.

    Ask QLD health how they liked dealing with IBM ?

    Ask the FEA (Fiji electricity authority) how they got fleeced by Andersons ?

    I was there dealing with the fallout, fuching arseholes
     
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  10. IanB

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    This is an excellent piece from Quillette.com that's long but well worth reading.

    Geary_Johansen2020
    1. The tragedy of the American dialogue on race is that whilst liberals may have the will and intent to help Blacks, they lack the intellectual framework of how to do it, and whilst conservatives may possess much of the intellectual framework to help, they possess neither the cultural power nor the historical habit of being able to articulate their case on the basis of compassionate conservativism.

      Here are the simple dynamics of human social mobility. If you are born into the bottom 60% of society in the West, then you will possess the strong in-group preferences and moral foundations which characterise every other culture in the world, whilst if you are born into the top 40% and to an educationally fluent and aspirational set of parents then those in-group preference will have declined and your only moral foundations will be the care and fairness foundations. The logistical problem is this- apart from a small percentage of exceptional individuals born every generation, the liberal mindset cannot help communities largely in the bottom 60% of the socio-economic distribution, to change their stars en masse.

      Liberals are usually distrustful of authority, and they tend to see a disproportionate need for discipline in schools serving poor, multi-ethnic or mainly Black and high crime neighbourhoods, as evidence of systemic racism. Yet if we look at the small number of high performing schools serving these communities a highly structured system of strictly enforced low-level discipline (such as detentions), which sets the bar high on standards of behaviour, seems to be a universal common denominator for those schools which generate seemingly miraculous results. Often, conduct codes extend to parents both in terms of engagement in the educational process and in relation to parental standards of behaviour.

      Liberals also tend to overestimate the comparative advantage conferred by economic factors, and completely underestimate the role of comparative advantage in parental engagement. The division of labour which a two parent family provides allows parents to engage with their children. A longitudinal study from the UK sampling 0.2% of the UK population showed that highly engaged fathers from high SES backgrounds conferred an IQ advantage of around 3.5 IQ points, with smaller gains for lower SES backgrounds. That’s almost as much as the estimate for the entirety of primary and secondary education. Fathers also apparently improve motor coordination through rough play. A Chinese study showed similar declines in cognitive ability for children raised without maternal influence, as parents worked in cities whilst their parents raised the children.

      But the biggest error for liberals in education is the erroneous belief that the behaviour and achievement of good kids can somehow transfer to less orderly children. They might occasionally witness some benefit but these gains are only temporary, whilst there is far greater chance that negative behaviour will transfer to well-behaved kids and become permanent. The Cambridge Somerville experiment proved this decades ago.

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      Cambridge Somerville Youth Study
      The Cambridge-Somerville Youth Study was the first large-scale randomised experiment in the history of criminology. It was commissioned in 1936 by Dr. Richard Cabot, a Boston physician who proposed an experiment to evaluate the effects of early intervention in preventing or lowering rates of juvenile delinquency. It was started in 1939 by Edwin Powers and Helen Witmer. In the study, 506 boys, ages 5 to 13 years old who lived in youth facilities in eastern Massachusetts, were selected and careful...

      "The program had no impacts on juvenile arrest rates measured by official or unofficial records. The program also had no impacts on adult arrest rates. There were no differences between the two groups in the number of serious crimes committed, age at when a first crime was committed, age when first committing a serious crime, or age after no serious crime was committed. A larger proportion of criminals from the treatment group went on to commit additional crimes than their counterparts in the control group.

      And this is the secret of why liberals consistently fail to provide the community level educational transformations that African Americans so desperately need. Whilst they acknowledge the role of peer groups in educational outcomes, they either gravitate to the belief that comparative advantage is economic, or to the mistaken belief that mixing troubled kids with good ones is going to somehow raise the attainment and behaviour of the troubled kids. It’s a ludicrous proposition, from what we know.

      The reason why many subsequent migrant populations have been so successful in the US and the US, is that tendency to cluster and self-segregate upon arrival, means that they are able to preserve whatever conservative moral coding they possess, with its inherent advantages for poorer people, for at least the one generation necessary for their mainly liberal children or grandchildren to achieve economic opportunity and transcend class barriers to locate their own childres into the pockets of liberal affluence where self-selection ensures an entirely different set of socially benign factors.

      The wealthy liberal parents of progressive children may disdain marriage and monogamy publicly- not wishing to morally condemn the choices of others- but they achieve the thirty year plus stable marriages and picture book princess weddings for themselves, with far greater frequency than the rest of the population. And, of course, with fees paying private education for their children, or active participation on the boards of their well-funded public schools, they are quick to expel and exclude the occasional bad influence who happens to encroach into their own children’s peer group.

      And peer group is the one insurmountable barrier which conceptually liberal fail to grasp. They simply don’t understand just how harmful their defence of Teachers Unions is, in depriving Black parents of the opportunity to remove their children from schools which fail to enforce order within peer groups and the inevitable poor educational outcomes that result. They understand that disruptive kids will always exist and make provision for those kids within the system- but what they fail to realise is that in some communities the percentage of kids with strongly disruptive behaviour patterns can be as high as 40%. It’s not the kids fault- poverty and intergenerationally reinforced cycles of behaviour simply combine, to make the circumstances that they are born into far more likely to generate disruptive or anti-social behaviour patterns. Disrupted classrooms can easily result in two years of lost education by K-12, and often more.

      The secret that every parent know intuitively is that parenting is a weak force when compared to the influence of peer group during the teen years. We all remember the kids who could have led us astray. It’s the stuff of nightmares, the idea that the wrong kids might introduce our daughter to drugs, or our son to singularly unhealthy attitudes towards young women. Where liberals seem to fail to make the cognitive leap, is in understanding how peer groups can shape disparate outcomes by race at a population level, statistically speaking.

      One child of single mother in a peer group of four or five individuals, might be overwhelmed by group pressure- when one consider the negative accumulation of a lack of a paternal role model, the much higher chances of aggressive males cycling through the home, the statistically far higher chances of neglect, abuse, or SUDs in single parent homes- but as peer groups start to possess two or more such teens, the chances of benign outcomes rapidly decline. Plus, fathers really do regulate boys peer groups where they exist in sufficient numbers at a community level- Dr Raj Chetty’s research into social mobility for the bottom 20% of the socio-economic spectrum really does prove this simple axiom.

      Any attempt at using reparations to address systemic racial disparities in outcome, should be mindful of the fact that when looking at high socio-economic backgrounds, it’s the social that confers the advantage, not the economic. Oh sure, economics does play a role- but only insofar as it allows parents to exercise choice in the peer group their child is exposed to through education.

      A better way to accomplish the goal of better educational and life outcomes for African American children and the economic opportunities which result would be to allow parents to exercise more control over their children’s peer group, through the medium of school choice, and with the simple innovation of allowing parents to exercise autonomy over school disciplinary proceedings for misbehaving kids (and parents), it wouldn’t be long before poor inner city were producing schools every bit as good (though not necessarily as numerous, initially) as their private school equivalents.

    2. Coleman Hughes said best when he said:

      Black people don’t need another apology. We need safer neighborhoods and better schools. We need a less punitive criminal justice system. We need affordable health care. And none of these things can be achieved through reparations for slavery.

      The Reparations conversation is just another ineffective social justice cloak whose purveyors group focus & counterproductive nonsense betrays divisive politically driven tactics. Their all encompassing command of social justice discussion effectively prevents any real solutions thus substantially prolonging hardship. They are effectually anti social justice.
     
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    You'd be welcome to Dumbasdogpoo day up here.
    It's the designated Atherton Show day public holiday......................except there's no show due to CV19,but let's shut the town down anyway...sheesh!
     
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    Same happening everywhere, but the weirdest thing is they’ve shifted Bne showday from Wed to Fri to create a long weekend... all in hope of people taking a holiday to somewhere I guess. Coolum was chockers last weekend.
     
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    For the Gold Coast, that is considered style.
     
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