What cars do you guys recommend or have owned. Used would be fine as well as new, looking to buy next spring/summer for reference. I would use the car as a primary driver (~8k/year) when I'm not on the bikes during the summer. Winters in MO are pretty easy, w/o much snow or salt, have an AWD for really bad days anyway. My personal defintion of "best 4-seater": 1) Must have back seats which can fit a child seat at the bare minmum, room for a growing child would be even better (for example, I doubt a 911 would meet this requirement). 2) Nothing Japanese. No offense, but they do nothing for me. S2000 and NSX are neat, but don't meet #1. Lexus, Inifiniti, Acura, Mazda...no thanks. 3) Nothing American. Again, no offense. Cobra Mustang or Camaro do not appeal to me. CTS-V is a helluva car I'm sure, but I'd rather pick one up after three years for a song compared to buying new. This is by no means is an exhaustive list of used cars, just a few that spring to mind. a) 2002 Maserati Coupe GT. I know they are not $50k...yet. But they will be for cars with mileage soon. A short stretch over $50k would be possible. b) Jag S-type R. For some reason this car appeals to me, but doesn't seem to with many others. c) BMW M3. We had trouble with our 3-series, but most people don't. They will look out of date as soon as the new 3 comes out. My local dealer sucks as well. Everything I've read says this would be a nice car. d) 1999-2001 M-B SL600. I love this body style, and rear seats can be fitted with seat belts. Not sure on the room back there though. I'd love to have a big ol' 6.0L V-12 whisking me down the highway sucking down about a gallon of premium every 12 miles. Some may argue about it's "sporty car" credentials. e) Ferrari Mondial. Not sure on the backseat room, but the "T" would have to be it. The black bumpers on the others turns me off, unless the car is of course black. f) Ferrari 456. I know most of these are not near $50k, and finding an early one with mileage could be a challenge. Given the dubious reliability (windows, electrics) reputation they seem to have, finding one or stretching to $60k for the right one could be a possibility. BTW, as of right now my choices would be a,f,d,c,b. I doubt I would get a Mondial. Hopefully we'll need a 4-seater next year. If not, I'll be back to plan A which would be choosing between an early TR, 348ts, 328..... Look forward to your responses.