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Jackie Stewart Petty?

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  1. 5to1

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    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/4213210.stm

    This isn't the first time he's taken a pop at Schumi.

    And considering the way Schumi wiped the floor with everyone last year isn't it a bit soon to say he's been superceded. The competitiveness of cars can change from race to race, but not drivers. Something i'm sure Jackie knows full well.

    When most of F1 puts Schumi's dismal season down to the car, Stewart is once again showing he's a petty old fool!. Get over it Jackie, you look like a clown and only confirm this whenever you speak.
     
  2. SSNISTR

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    I've lost so much respect for Jackie over the years....he's become a tool.
     
  3. F2003-GA

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    He is alway's chasing MS to retire.It's not even his place to suggest it and his comments are harsh and stupid.
     
  4. joker57676

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    Well hopefully he can prove Jackie wrong next season...although I hate saying theres always next year.

    Mark
     
  5. Senna1994

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    BS he is right on the money. Take the blinds folds off. MS was the best driver of the last decade, it does not last forever. Now it is KR and FA's time. Period.
     
  6. PSk

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    While I agree that MS won't be the best forever ... he is still showing us that he is quick by the fact that he is making (in most cases) useless RB look pedestrian.

    I do though think MS is suffering from lack of real competition in those previous easy WC's. Sometimes the car can be too good thus you loose your edge.

    Pete
     
  7. Senna1994

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    Completely in agreement, had MS been around in the Mid 80's through the early 90's he would have been a very good driver, nothing more nothing less, he would have had his ass handed to him by Senna, Nigel, and Alain.
     
  8. imperial83

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    Senna will be forgotten in a decade or so.

    Michael will live on as a racing GOD and will always be known as the best racer to have ever lived.

    Given the same cars Senna, Nigel, Prost and Stewart could only hope that they are not lapped by Michael.
     
  9. ScuderiaRossa

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    Senna forgotten?

    The biggest ? in MSs career is the fact that he couldn't measure his skill against Senna's!
     
  10. RP

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    It is interesting how everyone has their own twist onthis article. I don't think Stewart was putting down MS, he was stating what is fact, KR is the fastest driver today. But that has a lot to do with his car.

    It is so hard to comprehend Ferrari's 2004 vs 2005. It like the powers that be got with Ferrari and told them to sandbag for a year, so the other team's fans won't quit coming to the races.

    Gotta admit, there will be a lot more attention going into 2006, especially if the Ferrari shows some early strength.
     
  11. tifosi12

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    While talking to some Ferrari fans I heard for the first time an astounding comment: MS should retire for the benefit of Ferrari. Not that he isn't that good anymore, but he is getting there with age and the team is built around him, which doesn't allow for a natural transition to a younger driver when the time comes.

    Mind you that argument came from real Ferrari fans who admire MS. I didn't even provoke it btw, but it was water on my mill.

    Hindsight is 20/20, but it sure looks like MS missed the perfect moment to retire at the end of last year.

    PS: I have lost all respect for Stewart a while ago because of his idiotic actions as the BRDC president in regards to improving Silverstone.
     
  12. b-mak

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    I was expecting to read something far out from Sir Jackie, but that wasn't the case. Perhaps right, perhaps wrong, nothing he said was disrespectful. Times change, even in F1.
     
  13. racerx3317

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    It has already been a decade and people still speak of him in awe. Michael will live on with you kissing his ass endlessly.
     
  14. racerx3317

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    Jackie said nothing wrong. He didn't even say MS has lost a step which he may very well have. He said the period of MS being the best driver MAY have moved. Where is the disrespect in that? Chill out guys. while I have not always agreed with what Sir Jackie has had to say over there years he's entitled to his opinion. He is in position to know better than any of us.
     
  15. Gilles27

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    It's not like he called the Pope a jerk. He pretty much stated things as they are. The only comment I would disagree with is the one where he needs to win again to justify his standing in history. I think I know what he meant, meaning he needs to win again to prove he's still got it, but I'm pretty confident Schumi's place in history is etched in stone.

    And no, Senna will not be forgotten. I think the fact he died racing at a relatively young age, on top of what a tremendous driver he was, will contribute to that.
     
  16. Dr JonboyG

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    Look at the time difference in qualifying for Monza. Raikkonen's car was 60 kg heavier than Schumachers. He should have been a second and a half slower, yet was 0.5 faster than MS.

    To dismiss his skill behind the wheel is sheer delusion.

    Jackie Stewart might be a ferrety looking chap, but it's safe to say he knows more about F1 than anyone posting in this thread.
     
  17. racerx3317

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    One part of MS's skill seems to be on the decline. He was once able to drive around a bad car. The years when the cars were bad was when his driving was the most brilliant. This year he's looked very ordinary on occasion and other than the one pole, which was a fearsome lap, he has been unremarkable this year. He doesn't seem to be able to carry the car anymore. Sir Jackie didn't even bring this point up, he just said KR is now the fastest driver and this year he would be right. He simply stated the facts for this year. I doubt there is any sandbagging going on, a team like Ferrari would never do such a thing IMO.
     
  18. 5to1

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    I think some of you miss the point.

    Although many of his comments may be reasonable in isolation. You have to take a look back at some of his other comments. He has always been the first to take a pop. Even when Schumi has been at the top of his game. I remember at one point he was told to shut up by Bernie.

    Moreover, his comments are so one sided. I mean you would think he might add that the Ferrari and Bridgestones play a large part in Schumi's poor showing this year. And that he's still spanking Rubens, etc.

    As I said previously cars can change from race to race. But a driver doesn't win 5 Titles on the trott and then just become **** over night.
     
  19. racerx3317

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    As i said before i don't always agree with Jackie, but i don't see anything wrong with his latest comments. I think the implication is that MS maybe on the decline. While obviously, he's far from becoming **** overnight, he has had a dominant car for some time now. A dominant car can hide certain flaws you may have. Pretty much anybody can win if they run off and hide from the rest of the field. True greatness is measured from handling adversity. MS in 96 in the Ferrari would be an example as well as Senna in 93, 84 and so on. That part of his motivation by be waning. Spanking Rubens is one thing, stick KR or JPM or Alonso in the other car and then see. I think Massa was choosen for a reason. Massa is a second tier driver at best, he will be no real opposition to MS.
     
  20. PSk

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    As are most peoples opinions ... :confused:

    Actually you are wrong. If a driver looses his motivation and this has happened many times they should retire. Berger has stated this happens ... you start to think of the dangers more, etc. and thus get slow.

    Niki Lauda famously just got out of his race car and said that's it ... and I believe many drivers have died in the past because they drove past their time, probably to finish a season/contract. Again once the fire has gone that confidence goes and we all know how dangerous a unsure driver is on the public road ... yet one handling a 200+mph weapon!

    If Ferrari make a reasonable car next year then I hope that that becomes MS's last year and he retires with a good result ... not necesarily a WC, but atleast a battle for it. His time has come ... and gone.
    Pete
     
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    Totally agree ... infact I don't think I've agreed more with any post!

    Thus IMO MS and Ferrari with this pathetic 'lets have a weak team mate' for MS philosophy are to blame for MS starting a decline in ability earlier than he may have liked.

    To constantly be the best you MUST be tested and pushed.
    Pete
     
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    I'm not a Ferrari Fan. And I also am a Senna fan. Infact I was sitting there supporting him the day he died (hoping he would beat Schumi).

    But this isn't exactly a new thing for F1. I remember Senna not being too happy with Prost in the other car.
     
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    As of now there is no to way measure any decline in MS's performance.Especially in a uncompetitive car.Any negative comment's about him are plain silly.Jackie Stewart is a clown and I sense some jealousy and regret's for himself retiring.Obviously MS is making him look NOT SO great with only 3 championship's especially in era when f1 was not as a big deal as it is today.I am not trying to undermine Stewart's accomplishments just that he has become a bit of a clown.I mean who is he to advise MS to retire he has no connection's to MS what so ever.
     
  25. 5to1

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    I never said MS hasn't lost his edge.

    However, given his performance last year (how many races did Kimmi win in the last 2 years?). Given his performance over the past decade. Given the equal decline in Barrichello's results. Given the fact that most of F1 has put the poor showing this year down to Ferrari and Bridgestone. Claiming he is no longer the fastest driver out there isn't the first conclusion most would draw.

    His comments come accross as petty because he has ignored all of the above. Because he is once again the first to attempt to drag MS down.

    Yes most peoples opinions are one sided. But when you have a history of attacking someone. And when you take the first opportuniy that arises to continue to do so. And when you ignore the overwhelming facts. Comments such has his are placed into a totally different context.
     

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