Hi guys, I'm back again...my 3rd son born weeks ago and he takes all our time ! So Christian, how are you 100% sure that blue GTS is the one driven by Ferruccio ? What allow you to believe this is #10418 ? Can you ask German owner to shoot a picture of his VIN plate ? Yes, I'm sure that VIN #10418 was own by Ferruccio, but I don't know where that car stands by now ??? As Marcelo mentionned, engine #40979 belonging at first to VIN #10418 is now in our common dutch friend's hands. I've never recorded one of my scenarios consisting to believe that SVR standing at Tonino's Museum is a Jarama 400 GT, because dashboard is flat as first serie got ! Then it would mean Ferruccio owned one 400 GT and one 400 GTS. As I'm not 100% about the SVR, I'm waiting for my trip in Italy next October to visit these Museums (Factory & Tonino). Of course I will shoot hundreds pics... Image Unavailable, Please Login
Olivier, nice to hear from you again! The knowledge that this car is #10418 is a common knowledge here in Germany... A friend of mine knows the owner quite well, I will ask him to make a photo during his next visit. I am not 100% sure whether my friend has seen the VIN plate, but normally he should have seen it. I did not reach him now, I will ask him later for confirmation. The car is located in Germany. My photo was made when I saw the car in 2004 during a meeting.
First of all, congratulations with your son Olivier! Question: Is it 100% sure that the SVR in the Tonino Museum was ever owned and driven by Ferruccio? Ciao! Marcello
100% ??? I'm not sure untill I will doubble check myself, but that's what Daisy of Tonino's Museum told me by phone...and she never answered me to my second question : "what's VIN of SVR ?" My assumption is leaded by the fact that Ferruccio always drove his models, for each one...with any doubt, look at the others 350, 400, Miura, Espada, Islero and Jarama as I'm reproducing Ferruccio's testimony from a magazine (www.jaramaregistry.com) where he confirmed that. I'm very doubtful about all this. In october, I will meet many "people" that will provide me the good answers, hopeless !
Olivier, if you are down there, please check also the VIN of the Jalpa Spyder if possible (its in the engine bay on the suspension dome).
What I tried to say here before is that the car with Ferruccio pictured at the ILR can NOT be #10418, because it isn't a "S" Ciao! Marcello Image Unavailable, Please Login
Marcel, Yes of course that Jarama GT can't be #10418...it's just an advertising vintage shoot, nothing proving this particular car was his own ! I agree with you there are plenty mistakes on ILR, but you know already what I've writen on VLG about my thinking... After my trip in Italy for the 45° Lambo Party, I will update my website Jarama Registry, I was planning at first to do it several times a year, but it will be only once a year. Raymons, I will. Christian, do you know how to contact the German owner of Jarama Wallace ? I've heard from Dietmar he is a Ford dealer ??? Image Unavailable, Please Login
Fellows, I'm coming back with my "Mystery car"...yellow Jarama GTS. Picture of 80's when Miura #4088 was under building SVJ for Mimram, if you pay attention to the license plate it's a German one (big format, big letters, black/white). Then it leads me to conclude it's either #10398 or #10512 ??? Any help is welcome... who knows these GTS owners and which one shipped back his car to factory ?
#10512 was in Holland for a while. Came from Germany. Was also sold back to Germany later. once owned by Herbert Engel... Attached a picture. The car has the extra lights in front, and seem to have black wipers as well. Could very well be the car... Ciao, Marcello Image Unavailable, Please Login
Joe, As I read & wrote in another thread : "OK understood", these Jarama are "gone for unknown price. But can you share pictures and VIN ? In order to add these informations on JaramaRegistry with your authorization ?
Last Week End I've attempt "Retro Folie at Spa", small location near Spa F1 track, on the way to go I've done for 1st time 240 km/h with my old GTS...and it bluffed me ! Temperature gauges were good, it stuck on the highway without lacing on 2 lanes as I was thinking it will do (as my 25th Countach did, back in 1995), engine screaming (no more rear muflers...) but I've to slow down due to traffic. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
Very well done Olivier! Last sunday I was a passenger in a Jarama S. This car, #10684 is one of the five special custom build Jarama's. Engine number is #406760, and when some work was done work on the car recently, it was confirmed that the car had a 5 liter engine!! (85,5mmx69mm) 45mm DCOE 96 Weber carburateurs instead of 40mm DCOE 20 21 Electronic ignition and Revs limiter, Oil coolers (2x) , and a different crankshaft. According to Raymond, #10684 was said to be delivered in Switzerland originally, perhaps also a Sheik Al Thani car, he resided in Geneva. Compared to the other Jarama S that was driving with us (#10522) this 5 liter Jarama has lots more torque, and can even keep up with the Miura as well. It was a great experience for me! The space in the cockpit is huge, and the hood is VERY big! It really is a big car, but also very low when you sit in it, cool! Sound was amazing! Liked the backfires too! Here are some pictures to enjoy. Olivier, you will like the pics of your ex daddy's Jarama #10522 right? Ciao! Marcello Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
Thanks for the nice pictures! - #10684 is by far the highest VIN for a Jarama (#10660 should be the last) - the engine number #406760 is also very high for a Jarama, when dropping the last digit the engine must be situated as a late first series block but ... - ... the car is an S in every details Anyone who know more about this car or one of the other custom build Jarama's.
That Jarama is said to have gotten a 5l Countach engine, it was of course done in the eithies since there was no 5l engine when the jarama was produced... Engine number is 40676, that is even in the normal Jarama Engine range, produced in 1972.
Hi all, Yes, I know it is a rumor that is should be a Countach 5000 S engine... BUT: I think it is unlikely that a Sheik would ask the factory to put a 5 liter Countach 1982 engine in his 1976 Jarama? The chasisnumber plate indicates chassis #10684, engine #406760. This is also confirmed in a letter from the factory, wich also reads that this is one of the five custom Jarama's build. Funny thing is that the Dutch license plate indicates that the car was first registered anywere on June 30, 1972... What I'm begining to suspect is that this car started out as a Jarama GT build in 1972, with engine #40676 that fits exactly in that range. Perhaps the cars engine broke down, and later the car could have been rebuild to an S, enlarged the engine to 5 liter, and with some other extra features creating a special custum car, now renumbered to #10684, now with engine #406760. Attention: just speculations!!!! Ciao! Marcel
I think this is simply a misstyping, since a email I got from the owner stated that the 5l engine has no number stamped. You know, what is written on these chassis plates is like home made. BTW my engine has also no number although I got the built sheet inforamtion with an engine number... To know what was done with that engine we should know bore and stroke, since it's hardly possible to bore a 4l engine block the additional 3,5mm the LP500s engine got. 4l: 82mm bore, 62mm stroke 5l: 85,5mm bore, 69mm stroke
My dear friends, what I'm enjoying all your speculations... Back in 2000, #10684 was already offered for sale in NZ & Australia with that 5.0 engine. I paid attention to it but due to distance, I never really inquired about it, much later I will discover the guy advertising it was a friend of the european owner... Begining 2004, I saw it again offered on www.Mobile.de, then it was closer to me because located in NL...it was in fact owned by Harry Van Bakel for years. I've met him, check the car, noticed the 45 Webers, I drove #10684 and finally wasn't convinced it was a 5.0 engine, very doutful. Then I've contacted our fellow Valentino. He confirmed me by email that it was one of the 5th custom built spec...but it was a real GTS leaving factory with 4.0 engine. More, that it has NEVER been upgraded or replaced later by the factory for a 5.0 engine, no record about this ! Yes, it was 1st delivered to that Sheik, but what happend after is just unknow. Nobody knows who rebored that 4.0 block to 5.0...but it's NOT a Countach engine, definitively NOT. How do I know, owner sent all pictures of engine while rebuilt, it matches correcty in all details 4.0 fluid & oil line + fixing points of peripherical items that a Countach has some differences with ! Ciao, Olivier
Since it was a swiss car and there is a LP400s Countach with bored 4,7l engine it could be, but again these changes must be obvious when the engine was overhouled. Either bore or stroke must be different from the 4l block.
Hi Raymond, I wrote before: when some work was done work on the car recently, it was confirmed that the car had a 5 liter engine!! (85,5mmx69mm) Engine was taken apart for overhaul. I'm not that technical. Olivier, is it technically possible to enlarge a Jarama engine to 5 liter? Ciao! Marcello
