Jock Clear

Don’t like him much either but Arrivabene should keep an eye for these kind of things too. Doesn’t seem too bothered.

 

Yeah it is very strange. The majority of blame should be on the man who's job it is to make a successful strategy however are there not any failsafes or other minds in the team that review or recognize if their are miscalculations or screw ups ?!?!

 

Well, if you want to blame someone for the strategies, I'd blame Iñaki Rueda instead of Jock Clear.

Yet, the strategy always looks bad when the car is slow. Also the pit crew made bad pitstops yesterday.

 

I heard that Vettel admitted he overshot the pit marks.

 

yes he did....they had to roll the car back

 

You could start with Marchionne too.

In Bahrain they won. What´s the problem? At China and Baku they got screwed by safety cars. Bad luck. At Australia they favoured us. S---t happens for everybody.

At Spain the tyres were not working. Period. They had to prevent an undercut from a faster Bottas in the first pit stop. The second pit stop was more debateable; but they thought their tyres wouldn´t get to the end, so maybe they had a reason. And Vettel shot the mark, making the stop slower than it should be.

And Jock Clear is responsible for an engine failure too? Come on, I needed a rant too, but let´s keep it under control and move on.

 

Jock is, and always has been, bloody useless. How he has stayed in f1 this long is a mystery akin to the Bermuda Triangle. He has screwed up everywhere he has worked, and ferrari need a fresh face there, with a racing brain not stuck in the 90’s Villeneuve era

 

Cool down, ingegnere dei lunedi. I see things differently but I don't want to discuss about this with you anymore.

I'm just going to say that I think you're overrating our car, it's not so easy to win with it so it's not that all our problems are related to strategy. And if things keep going as they went in Barcelona, nobody will give a f... about strategy, as Mercedes has 30 seconds under the sleeve.

 

Its simple. Which team has the better management...across the board....Ferrari or Mercedes? Which teams drivers push their cars to the limits and beyond, even when they know they don't have the fastest car...Ferrari or Red Bull? Which of the three leading teams only has one race driver...aka...can anyone tell me what Kimi does for a living? Which team comes from the weakest economy in Europe? Etc., etc., etc.

 

In what positions are you guys?

 

I agree...he's spanish it's his fault!

 

Oh. Shucks. 'Guess that makes me a "nerd" then, huh? Once again, you learn sumpin' new every day.
Nonetheless, "people" can tell me 1+1=3 for as long as they want. I still know it's 2.

Here I thought I was just asking a simple question, thinking that being on FerrariChat - The world's largest Ferrari community I might actually be conversing with Ferrari employees. 'Not a very intelligent nerd, am I? Back to my corner avec dunce cap, eh?

 

Do you follow F1?! You started the "Mercedes and Pirelli" thread after Spain, but you apparently didn't bother to read the replies... or to follow the news after the Spain test sessions. Pirelli requested the change for Spain, for specific technical reasons - not for Mercedes, not just for Spain, but for Silverstone and Paul Ricard as well, as those tracks will have the same problems as Spain due to a new surface. So Vettel changed his tune after testing in Spain following the race, and stated specifically that Pirelli was correct in changing the tires, and that the revised thin tread tires were better than the standard thick tread tires for Spain, even for Ferrari - and stated that Ferrari got the setup wrong, and was wearing the left front tires too quickly and could not do a one stop strategy (there, that clears Jock Clear as well).

The car was not undone by Jock Clear on the pit wall in Spain, the car was not undone by Pirelli's new tires, the car was undone by Ferrari not figuring out a good setup. Other teams managed just fine, not just Mercedes - Red Bull could easily do a single stop race, Mercedes just barely managed a one stopper for Bottas (his second stint left front tire wouldn't have lasted another lap), etc. It happens to all the teams, these tires are very tricky to manage and have an even smaller temperature window than last year. Some races they get it right, some races they get it wrong. It's not a conspiracy!

Since you missed or ignored Vettel's statements from the post-Spain testing, here's two articles for you, and even the text from one of them, as I posted in your Pirelli thread:

 

Nice wrap-up...4 races in. Now what are the odds that Ferrari will miraculously get their act together while the Mercedes team falls into shambles?

 

At the moment, no F1 team member would admit to it, given the flack we’d be giving them for not following the various tweets, emails and letters we have sent about our pit management over the years!

 

As a Hamilton fan when I saw the Virtual Safety Car deploy I was in mass suspense thinking back to the opening race in Melbourne. Vettel comes in, gets new tires and still stays in front of Hamilton. Just assumed this would be an advantage for Ferrari. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. In this instance it didn't, but reading other threads in this section of F-Chat it seems the #5 would've had to stop again anyway. A green flag stop would've cost him more than what he lost stopping under the VSC.

 

I’ll keep it sensible and polite Gordon, I know I don’t always.... Vettel is towing the line, ferrari had no say in the tyres at all. I can assure you that the press release from Pirelli in April (available on this site somewhere in the threads) stated that ‘AT MERCEDES REQUEST’ Pirelli were to change the tyres from the 2018 spec to the 2017 spec for three races. It did not acknowledge nor mention any other team requesting this change, nor having a say in the decision.

On these tyres, totally, ferrari ****ed up. However, the performance drop off was not the issue, wear was the issue, that’s fine. No one argues that the wear was the cause of the loss of the race. The issue with Mercedes is that their performance increased by over one second a lap in lap time, on identical tyre and strategy compared to all other runners. No others increased their performance on the tyre. Again, some had more wear than others, but we are talking about PERFORMANCE, ie, how fast they can go. It’s equivalent to a minimum 50bhp increase in engine performance, or brakes that can decelerate a great distance quicker, or a fantastic aero advantage. Since all sensible F1 insiders and commentators alike will confirm that to find even a tenth or two can take months, years even, with no testing, and the spending of millions, please, explain how Mercedes found a second a lap performance for their car WITHOUT the tyre having a significant advantage.

Before you start, you will need of course to analyse Vettels comments again, from the various interviews, where as well as agreeing that the tyre change meant the tyres were able to wear better, he also VERY CLEARLY states that the Mercedes cars found a massive hike in performance on the 2017 compounds compared to the 2018 like for like. Remember, we are not measuring any others, just Mercedes like for like, so any testing this week is null and void, because of you are Mercedes and you need to hide your advantage, you make sure that the car does the right times on the right tyres to nullify the identification of the cheat.

You might also refer to Helmut Marko, who actually outright accused Pirelli of collusion with Mercedes, not just an inferment as is common, but an actual outright accusation which, of course, Wolff will vehemently deny, but there is no smoke without fire

Mercedes in Spain managed to pull a very fast cat out of their bag, and their fans will all now be unwittingly helping them get away with their cheating by ignoring the fact that if you are cheating, you aren’t going to admit it, and you are going to make sure that the back to back tests work in favour of the cheat not happening, you aren’t going to let yourself be found out.

The chatter in Ferrari about the race is very different to what might be the corporate line, I assure you, and the FIAs sudden interest in every aspect of our car at the express behest of Mercedes (on the say so of our ex employees) a source of considerable disgust

 

With the amount of conspiracy theories you've spun I thought this image may be of use one day.

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Is that a hat like yours? I’d love to be cool like you