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Juan Pablo Montoya is a tool!

Discussion in '360/430' started by Sandoval, Aug 12, 2010.

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  1. Sandoval

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  2. Gran Drewismo

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    I LOVE this response!

     
  3. 360trev

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    Never heard of him...

    Sigh, obviously he's not technical and what does he expect from the luxury road car?

    I'm guessing he probably bought the wrong car, should have got a CS or Scuderia.

    Also its worth considering that many things can cause understeering behavour on a 360, particularly on a 6+ years old car.

    1. Knackered Tires (or even incorrectly inflated ones).
    2. Geometry, poor set-up of toe, castor, camber, etc.
    3. Tired worn or leaking struts, cracked or saggy springs, play in upper or lower ball joints, tired flambloc bushes.
    4. Bent or cracked upper or lower wishbones
    5. Play in the wheel bearings
    6. Worn steering rack or steering rack ends.
    7. Accident damage

    Take your pick.

    You can adjust the geo and really dial out almost all of the 'safety net' of toe and camber in the factory stock alignment (which by design understeers to help 'novice' drivers from some major 'lift-off' throttle oversteer moments), search on F430GT posts, fit good sticky tires and really you already half way there. If you want to get more serious fit Delron bushes, Moton Fully adjustible coilovers, challenge arb's and serious track day biased tyres.

    Da dah, no understeer.
     
  4. rob lay

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    my personal experience that to race car drivers no new production car in past 20 years hasn't understeered. I have driven all the new models (430, Scud, 599, 612, and Cali) and they all understeer! The GranSport understeers! My 328 is about perfect for the street, but each model since then has gone softer and softer. Even with how soft they are several a year still lose control and kill themselves and others.

    what's dumb to me if this quote is true, why in the hell did Juan not play with the pressures? change the alignment? even get some new springs, shocks, and bars? If that quote is true, then the really scary part is that Juan doesn't even know the basics about race car craft that a few simple adjustments can change the handling of the car.

    Juan always has been and always will be a huge *****.
     
  5. rob lay

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    as I posted, even the CS and Scud come from the factory understeering. as both of us then posted though, you can easily dial that out if you want.
     
  6. 360trev

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    #6 360trev, Aug 12, 2010
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    Absolutely, its just so true, they just understeer a bit 'less' than regular models ;) Ofcourse you can dial this out and if you regularly track your car this is the first thing your going to do.

    Problem is Ferrari are trying to build cars for Paris Hilton types who wouldn't know their understeer from their underwear....
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  7. fioran0

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    #7 fioran0, Aug 12, 2010
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    you know what the worst thing about his numbskull comment is?
    its that everyone else with the same level of intelligence or insight will latch onto this and it will now be repeated verbatim across every internet forum and pub car park for the next 10,000 years.

    im now going to have to listen to this crap wherever i go.

    never rated him as a driver, even less as a person but this level of unthinking knee jerk response really makes me question much about his aptitude even more. that being said for someone who is unable to avoid a huge camera whilst walking then burst into a rage as a result this is probably as sensible a thought process as one can expect. id hate to be an engineer on his team, i bet you get great feedback from test sessions ;)

    actually perhaps thats not fair and he is just misunderstood, he perhaps does give great feedback but just has no clue as to how its then utilised to make the car better. maybe he even thinks his expressing of it makes it magically better and the engineers listen only out of wonderment, that the car does it out of respect.
    maybe for his few hundred miles of ownership he drove about demanding that it understeer less and when it failed to listen to him he decided rightly so that the car was a POS and unable to actually be any better so moved on.

    "juan has no time for this car" he would have proudly proclaimed, "i am too much for this weak beast and my skills can be used elsewhere" (*atleast im sure he would have said this had i been there to watch him beat the car up physically)
    he would then go on to use them for mclaren where he was again too much for the car, explaining how he had to drive a car thats steering wheel was not attached to the rest of it before then being crippled with oversteer once they did attach it.

    the more i read that comment, the more i wonder if by oversteer he just meant turning right. its easy to get the two confused at times
     
  8. Chicko

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    It took him 200 miles to decide he did not not like it? You would think a professional driver would be more sensitive a cars dynamics then that! ;)

    Or was the case that it was 100 miles to his nearest McDonald's, and 100 miles back... :)


    But it could of been worse for him, he could of crashed while not looking where he was going and "Broke his head".... :)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2WvQTeGAEU


    Or maybe he sold his 360 for a "Nine-Juan-Juan" :)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x47uazIgQcw&feature=related
     
  9. lowyder993s

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    #9 lowyder993s, Aug 12, 2010
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    That is EXACTLY the scene in my mind when I read that...


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2WvQTeGAEU

    Apologies to Chicko...didn't see his post!
     
  10. reuland

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    Noone makes an obviously ridiculous statement such as this about any clearly superior product in the marketplace unless they harbour ill feelings towards the company or dealership etc............ I suspect that he wanted to drive for Ferrari before he got too fat and was told NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!
     
  11. thoang

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    I'm hoping this thread goes viral and JPM will feel compelled to explain his remarks. :D
     
  12. rjm337psu

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    Note that JPM drives a Chevy in Nascar, and had apparently driven a ZR1 just before saying this. I'm guessing it's just a case of a Nascar driver promoting his sponsor's product ("The chevy is so much better than Ferrari's three times its price" etc).
     
  13. rcuming

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    I will accept, for the moment, that there is an element of truth to his comment, absent the vulgarity. I have found, the more profanity in an argument, the less confidence behind it. Nonetheless, he is a seasoned racer and is expected to know how a race car should handle. The car he drove was probably a typical production car, not tuned or accessorised for the track. He should know the difference.

    Ferrari production cars are just that, produced for street driving with the potential for competitive racing on a closed track when properly sorted. That is why I and thousands of others have purchased Ferraris. It’s the pedigree, the legacy, the potential performance. Ferrari and those of us fortunate enough to have the privilege of owning one have nothing to regret. His statement is beneath contempt.
     
  14. NWaterfall

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    The 360 doesn't necessarily understeer if you drive it with the right style... This car likes weight transfer and pivoting it on its 'hips.'
     
  15. TheMayor

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  16. reuland

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    Well said!!!!!!!!!!!
     
  17. fioran0

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    im not sure anyone would disagree with the basic premise that the 360, as with all production cars more or less made in the last 15 years understeers heavily from the factory (well excluding the car makers where they dont actually spend any money on handling design, they just build them, sell them and see how it works out)

    the issue, and the fact that makes his comments one of the least thought out (and perhaps insightful in terms of JPM and his inner workings) pieces of hyperbole ive read is that as a racing driver he of all people should know better than to condem it as a POS based on an out of the box drive characteristic.
    he should know that setup is variable and that understeer can be tackled in many ways succesfully.
    perhaps he has forgotten that they have several days of practice before each F1 grand prix where the teams experiment with understeer/oversteer/downforce/tires etc etc in order to get the car handling and performing its best.
    imagine they all turned up, drove a lap, said this understeers.....what a POS, and went around to the other garages looking for a better car.
    maybe hes forgotten you can change a car setup and all that lapping in one direction has softened his already suspect mind.

    perhaps he was misquoted.........that had they printed the rest of his quote it would have read....."but then i remembered that you could vary handling, that the 360 is especially sensitive to tire pressures for example, so i bought it back for twice what i sold it for, made some changes and it had perfect balance. ive had a semi ever since for ferrari and i still have that car to this day"
    you gotta watch for journos, they guys are crafty :)

    removing my tongue from my cheek for a moment, hes just making noise and bigging up his bosses, who cares what JPM says.
     
  18. Ingpr

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    What happens is that this "Pendejo" never forgot what Michael and Ferrari did to him and Williams BMW at the 2002 Formula one season. Ferrari beat the crap out of him and the press took care that he never forget it and the pressure was so strong that he decided to take a "bigger challenge" NASCAR. For me he is just a over rated driver who's always be a Drama Queen!
     
  19. C4YES

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    David didn't you mean "carajo" coming from Puerto Rico?!
     
  20. Ingpr

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    Hey buddy,
    Carajo is more like "go to hell"
    Pendejo is like Cabron or as*h*le
     
  21. oversteer

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    JPM is a phenomenal driver and I'm sure his time at McLaren fostered ill will towards Maranello. Take it with a grain of salt and just know he's pushing the Chevy for the american demographic sponsor. Besides, wasn't it Ron Dennis of McLaren who was asked if his (at the time) upcomng McLaren F1 would be like the Ferrari F50 and he said "no, we don't have anyone who welds that poorly."? It's the politics of sports cars.
     
  22. mousecatcher

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    8. They come that way.
     
  23. TrojanHorse

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    +1.

    I'd doubt there are many regular "posters" or members of FChat that he couldn't outdrive with one hand and carrying on a conversation. The guy is indeed a world class driver...not the best today, but fantastic--I mean "in what series hasn't he been competitive".

    But, politics is politics...and he's on the Chevy wagon.

    Yes, the 360, 430, 550, 575, 599, CS and Scud ALL understeer. As I remember, Chris Harris and Jason Pilon both said the ONLY production Ferrari they'd ever driven that handled near or at neutral was the 599 GTO.

    And, the factory boys specifically designed it so it would do so.

    Take his comments with a grain of salt, but don't get upset with the messenger...he likely knows how a track/sports car handles.

    As noted, just change the "set up" and you'll not have the issue.
     
  24. RobD

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    His words were too harsh and showed zero respect for one of the worlds top sports car manufacturers/race teams. A piece of ****? Not only is the statement untrue, but it's a low-class remark. If you feel that way, fine, but don't say it in public. He's got a hard-on for Ferrari? All he had to say was that he didn't care for it, or that he expected more from it. You get your point across without being disrespectful, and people think you're a gentleman.

    Regarding the video...looked to me like he was walking with his head turned, not looking where he was going, and walked right into the stationary camera(man). His outburst was totally uncalled for. To save face, he exploded on the guy and made it his fault.
     
  25. jet

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