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  1. JERRYZ

    JERRYZ Formula Junior

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    Comparing Tesla's metrics to Fords is ridiculous. Would you compare Amazon and Walmart? They both resell items. Nobody will want a gas powered car when they can have a comparable EV. And we are right on the cusp of that era. The big 10 are light years behind Tesla in EV's.
     
  2. YorkieV12

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    The big 10 are not light years away......behind, yes, but they will catch up.......that is if they actually want to.
    My friends near top end Tesla has a range of 320 miles......but that is on a good day. On a cold, wet day, sat in the usual traffic jam with all the washers/wipers, lights, heater/aircon going full pelt, 320 miles is a non-event. The car gets used for the short commute. We do not plan our journeys over here in Europe, based on having to re-charge a battery every 200 miles.........so Tesla for one, has a long way to go yet. Here in the UK there are not enough plug-points to go round.....so problems. It isn't like filling up the tank with gas and driving away. You have to wait in a queue, plug in, wait half an hour....etc etc. You could not sell that to me. Correct me if I'm wrong, but one recent survey said that many who have tried ''all electric'' for the novelty of it, havn't bought another. That doesn't make a Tesla a long term success,.....and just how much money do you want to loose, just to prove a point.
     
  3. bberg009

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    That is the point.... amazon barely makes any money, and never had...... but Tessa have nothing proprietary that the big-10 cannot done tomorrow morning when/if the boring EVs becomes a real market...
     
  4. Jana

    Jana F1 Veteran

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    This is so untrue I cannot even begin to argue it. There is no such thing as a comparable EV to a NA V10 unless you pump in artificial sound. That's just one example. I appreciate your enthusiasm but you don't speak for every gearhead in the world.
     
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  5. JERRYZ

    JERRYZ Formula Junior

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    Mercedes Semi goes 220 miles. Tesla semi goes 500 miles.......why the difference?

    In the UK there are plenty of Tesla Supercharger stations. They have the 1st world blanketed. This year I took a 2,000 mile journey in my Model S and had NO PROBLEMS. In fact, it was awesome not paying a penny for fuel on the entire trip. 2,000 miles. AND it was awesome knowing I wasn't consuming foreign oil and I was resulting in less emissions.
     
  6. Natkingcolebasket69

    Natkingcolebasket69 F1 World Champ

    To say the big 10 is light years behind is ignorant.
    Mercedes can crush tesla any time they want they choose not to .
    Like that autopilot tesla think is so good , well in europe e class already have it, so do s class here.
    U truly think that the best engineer, car maker on earth, which are german can not, with more money than tesla, produce the same thing?
    There just isn’t enough for money for them right now.
    In europe its really hard to afford a tesla and here in the usa outside california u dont see as many teslas...


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  7. JERRYZ

    JERRYZ Formula Junior

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    Exactly, so why is Amazon's market cap so high? Because they are disrupting the retail world. They aren't profitable because they are investing into their future. But those that want to use metrics to compare them to Walmart are as wrong as those that use metrics to compare Ford to Tesla. Tesla is disrupting the auto world and eventually the oil industry.
     
  8. JERRYZ

    JERRYZ Formula Junior

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    Audiophiles claimed no one would want digital music when you can have the soul of vinyl. Blackberry users claimed no one would want an iPhone because they preferred to feel their tactile buttons......trust me, gas powered cars are dinosaurs. Change happens for a reason, because better is just plain better.
     
  9. JERRYZ

    JERRYZ Formula Junior

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    Why does the Mercedes semi only go 220 miles vs. the Tesla at 500 miles? That would be like Sony saying they only want to make 20" TV's. Why did the entire aerospace industry claim you can't land rocket boosters and relaunch them????? Guess what, Elon did it.
     
  10. Natkingcolebasket69

    Natkingcolebasket69 F1 World Champ

    Clearly u are infatuated with tesla and do not appreciate ferrari for what they are thats one point
    2-nobody is telling u teslas are not great or not great inventions but everyone is teling u they dont handle like a sports car which u compare them to. U are in denial of that it seems and last everyome checked the roadster was not well received
    3- mercedes is in the business of making money, unlike what a previous post svowed of tesla’s figure.
    U truly think that a 4 time world champ manufacturer can not make a better hybrid or EV than tesla?

    I do agree tesla is disrupting the industry but they are not yet affordable and i can have a friendly bet with you that they better speed up their production bc when mercedes and bmw and co are coming they will not keep up.


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  11. Natkingcolebasket69

    Natkingcolebasket69 F1 World Champ

    Fyi- credit to eilon for being a visionary but like steve jobs he is nothing without his team


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  12. LARRYH

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    Actually Teslas Semi doesnt go anywhere right now . MUSK claims it willgo 500 miles between charges but he currently does not have the ability to build the vehicle ..
     
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  13. JERRYZ

    JERRYZ Formula Junior

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    Guilty as charged, I am infatuated with Tesla. lol I think adopting new and better technology happens at a different pace for all of us. The reason Tesla has a bigger market cap than most U.S. automakers is because many of us see that gas is dead for future vehicles. And the example of comparing Tesla's range with Mercedes is to show they are severely lagging in EV technology.
     
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  14. wiley355

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    Can't help but wonder why you are on this site.
     
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  15. Jana

    Jana F1 Veteran

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    Your opinion of better is not mine. And pushing your opinion as the only valid one makes you sound pompous and egotistical.
     
  16. Jana

    Jana F1 Veteran

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    No doubt!
     
  17. jgriff

    jgriff Formula 3

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    I’m still trying to figure out what is objectively better about Tesla and/or any electric vehicle. What benefit do the owners get other than tax breaks and getting to drive in the HOV? I guess if you are someone who wants the fastest 0-60 time you could make an argument for Tesla. That’s of no interest to me though. I lost interest in that when I stopped being a nerdy teenage boy.
     
  18. anunakki

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    Actually, Audiophiles said digital music would be inferior to analog and it is. You will be hard pressed to find an audiophile who thinks digital sounds better except at the very highest (and unaffordable) levels of the technology. And thats 20+ years since its come into play.

    Change does happen for a reason, but its not always because something is better. Unless you are going to tell me Walmart is the best shopping experience and McDonalds is the best dining experience. Both of those brought massive change to their industries.

    You see change comes most often simply because its cheaper and/or more convenient. Not necessarily because its of higher quality.

    Im not anti-Tesla. They seem to make a good product. But to try to argue its 'better' than an ICE vehicle makes you look uneducated on the definition of the word 'better' or worse, unaware of the difference between your opinion and fact. There is no objective standard by which anyone can say Teslas are overall better than ICE vehicles. By some metrics some people will consider a Tesla better than an ICE vehicle. But thats in no way absolute or you wouldnt have people disagreeing with you.

    You are probably right on gas powered cars becoming dinosaurs but as McDonalds and Walmart show, that doesnt make the electrics better.
     
  19. JERRYZ

    JERRYZ Formula Junior

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    If you read my OP that should answer your question.
     
  20. JERRYZ

    JERRYZ Formula Junior

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    McDonalds and Walmart were better when they surged in popularity. They weren't posh or exquisite but they succeeded in their role and for their customer base.

    Here is a list of metrics in which EV's are superior to ICE:

    1) EV's are the safest drivetrains by a mile. This is probably the most important feature of a car design.
    * For those who want to debate this do your research first. It's not even a close debate. Because of the skateboard design of the Tesla drivetrain the Model S is the safest car that NHTSA has ever tested.

    2) Quickest acceleration. I LOVE 0-60! It's like a roller coaster launch. EV's now quicker in 1/4 mile too.

    3) Lowest center of gravity. One reason it is the safest car. And helps in handling obviously.

    4) Most aerodynamic. No vents needed to keep an ICE cool.

    5) More cabin and storage space. No one likes to feel cramped. Gas tanks, engines, transmissions and exhaust systems take up a lot of space.

    6) Most dependable. FAR fewer moving parts so obviously fewer breakdowns and service needs.

    7) Cheapest to maintain. No oil changes, no tuneups, no filters to change, etc. Brake pads covered under warranty. Basically maintenance free.

    8) Cheapest to operate. Electricity far cheaper than gas. No smelly gas stations with an EV.

    9) Farthest range. The Tesla Roadster has a range of 621 miles. Gas powered cars can't go that far.

    10) No tailpipe emissions. No matter what your view of climate change is, cleaner air is better for EVERYONE.

    11) Highest residual value. This one is not even close either. Used Tesla's sell for FAR higher prices than their equivalent peers.

    Not sure how anyone can claim EV's aren't the future unless you have your head in the sand. Sorry if I'm coming across as egotistical, but I'm just making statement's of fact.
     
  21. anunakki

    anunakki Seven Time F1 World Champ
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    And if those metrics are important to you then thats great. Very happy for you. But they arent important to everyone.

    Are you unable to be objective on every subject or is it just Teslas ?
     
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  22. LARRYH

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    You do realize that there is nothing that Tesla does that the big automakers could not do if they wanted to. Tesla builds a nice nitch car like many others do ( ferrari for example)
    But if there was money in them (tesla proves there is not everyday) the big auto manufacturers could and will build as good or better...
     
  23. JERRYZ

    JERRYZ Formula Junior

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    You are not interested in a safer car? You are not interested in a quicker sports car? None of those attributes are meaningful to you????????? Who's not being objective?
     
  24. anunakki

    anunakki Seven Time F1 World Champ
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    No they arent. Your incredulity at those not being important to me (and others) just shows again your inability to see objectively.

    Its quite funny actually.

    PS (I dont think you know what the word objective means)
     
  25. JERRYZ

    JERRYZ Formula Junior

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    You are very wrong about this. Mercedes electric semi unveiled last month goes 220 miles. Tesla semi unveiled last week goes 500 miles. Ask yourself why this is. BTW, Mercedes is the largest seller of semi's worldwide. They take this part of their business VERY seriously.
     

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