Just thinking, 308 vs. 996

The older ones are much simpler than any Ferrari. My Europa is reliable once you get it sorted, and easy to work on. The Stromberg carbs are no fun and go out of tune quickly but they're easy to adjust compared to a Weber. It has a timing chain so no issues there. It's a fun go cart that's also appriciating in value, but a pristine example, if you can find one, is still way less than a beater 308.

Ken

 

The car I'm looking at (I have really already made up my mind) the guy also has a race Europa that he is keeping. I was amazed at how low those cars are.

 

Yup. My TC is 42 1/2" high; the S2's are about an inch lower.

Ken

 

That must be a workout to get in and out of

 

One word.... "Porsche"

 

Actually not. To get in you put the right leg in and sit. Then pull in the left. Getting out you put your left hand on the back of the door sill and use it for leverage. It's easy once you know how!

Ken

 

Folks, when I signed onboard a few days back with this group, I thought the entire purpose was to assist one another with their F-car problems/ideas. I don't own one, I desire to oneday soon. Possibly by this summer. I have seen numerous models that appeal to me, plus I have attended 2 Formula 1 races in Europe. Saw many horses there! I maybe a bit more fortunate tham some in here, because I am single/never been married. Don't have a wife to say "it goes or I go" so I might be at an advantage. I look to owners who can steer me in the right direction. Let's not be so judgemental on one another in here. If you went to any F1 team no matter who they are and you told them that you could sell them a brake pad that is far more cheaper, and much more durable than their current pads, the majority of the teams would listen to you and a few of them would possible
give it a once over and a test. We are all trying to save a buck! It is the evolution of mankind! Thank you

 

10K for an excelent MR2 Turbo and put 25K in the bank.

 

well here is what I did........I've had a 996 before and I actually enjoy this car more. Much better handling, decent power, 2-trunks, and best of all convertible!!
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great thought, but the chances of an independant company going against the big boys successfully are slim and none...see Delorean....

 

I got to use a 996 for a week early last month. It's like a Honda compared to my 308. Easy to shift and drive. It was something I would not hesitate to jump into to run down to the corner for a paper. I would never even consider doing that in a cold 308 and NO one here loves a 308 more then me. It's just a sad fact.

 

I don't care if yoy think it is an arrogant statement. You were on Fchat before you bought the car, right? You saw the maintenance costs, right? You saw the values of the car once you have miles on it, right?

Then you bought one.

And now you're too scared to drive it because it will cost money?

These cars are about passion and being a hobby, not about making the numbers work out in some stupid Excel spreadsheet. So yes, I stand by my statement that you can't afford the hobby and income has nothing to do with it. There are people on Fchat that make half of what you just claimed and have no problems with owning a Ferrari.

Admit it, you made a mistake. Ferrari ownership is not for you.

And I don't mind making these claims in public as a warning to others on the fence about getting into the hobby. Let this serve as a warning, these things are expensive to own, maintain and drive. Knowing these facts before you get into one will keep you happy in the long run.

Cheers,
Erik

 

I was only commenting on things that you said.

I've had my 365 for almost 8 years now.

Bought a 911 at the beginning of last year as my daily driver to replace my S class Benz (now there was a depreciation rock). Bought the Mondial 8 after I had the Pbug for 6 months. My first comment after I drove the 8 was "the Porsche is gone". Yes the Pbug is faster and more reliable, but for me, the Ferrari was just so much fun to drive AND ITS PROBABLY THE SLOWEST ONE EVER MADE!!!

You're still going to loose money on something newer in depreciation...

 

1989.5 Carrera 4.
A bit tricky to launch quickly because of the 4 wheel drive, other than that, a wonderful ride.

Want pics?

 

I have Chubb on my cars. No milage restrictions and the 365 is ~$1000/year, the Mondial ~$600/year. The 365 is registered and insured in AL, the Mondial in TN.

 

I think you hit the nail on the head. If you have none of the smiles, and you see every mile as a subtraction from the value of the car, then the value of the experience is very small. I have a 2001 911 C4 TIP which is a wonderful car..and have owned a couple of other Pcars..also have an 89 Mondial t with 42k miles..a driver in fine shape, runs and looks great with good history but I'm not afraid to drive it. The Pcar, wonderful as it is, and other Porsches for me lack the character that I feel when driving the Mondial..it (Pcar) is far more efficient, tighter, quieter, has XM, logic out the wazoo, and as a sports car it "makes sense," and I'll take it to 7-11 or Lowes without a care...not the Mondial, but I am not thinking "gee if I drive the Mondial 3k miles this year I'll lose money..I get that $ much enjoyment from it - the ownership, visual impact etc, even with services. If I sell it for 10k less in 7-10 years, I've done pretty good compared to other entertainment "investments." I don't have the car to realize a gain - except in the enjoyment I receive which is subjective. If all of a sudden Mondials become the hot collectible, then great but everyone here KNOWS I didn't buy it for that prospect. I'm 52 ..in 30 years, heck 20 years, who gives a rip. I won't lie on my death bed wishing I'd driven the Mondial 10k miles less and gotten $5k more for it...don't keep what you don't enjoy..

Good luck,

Chris

 

Yes, the 964 is the 911 before the 993s. 1989.5 to 1994.

I think you need to take a look at it. I bought mine for right at $20k, but I've seen them for a little less and a little more.

There are three main versions of the car, Carrera 4 (awd) which is a nice GT, Carrera 2 (rwd), which is more sporty, and the Turbo which is a pretty quick car. Then you get into coupe versus targa versus convertible.

One of the more undervalued 911's out there, but I've not had any real issues with mine and a friend owned it for the 4 years before I got it. Pretty solid car.

Not sure where you are financially, but could you keep the 308 and spring for a $20-25k 911? If so, best of both worlds. Practical daily driver that is sporty and the 308 for the days that you want to just have fun.
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