Keep tires deflated or not? | FerrariChat

Keep tires deflated or not?

Discussion in '206/246' started by dignini, Jun 27, 2006.

This site may earn a commission from merchant affiliate links, including eBay, Amazon, Skimlinks, and others.

  1. dignini

    dignini Formula 3

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2005
    Messages:
    1,348
    Location:
    NJ
    Full Name:
    Luigi Marazzi
    During its extended lay away, I have kept the wheels off the ground and the tires deflated. My reasoning was to maintain air circulation and not to have the tire stuck motionless to the rim. Right or Wrong?
     
  2. dignini

    dignini Formula 3

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2005
    Messages:
    1,348
    Location:
    NJ
    Full Name:
    Luigi Marazzi
    I guess they'll stay deflated:)
     
  3. abstamaria

    abstamaria F1 Rookie

    Joined:
    Feb 11, 2006
    Messages:
    2,668
    Full Name:
    Andres
    Dignini, with due respect, I really don't see the point of deflating the tires. I know that keeping the tires off the ground is often recommended, but, with some cars with bonded rubber suspension bushes, droop distorts the bushes. Accordingly, for these cars, the suspension should be kept at ride hide, even when the car is jacked up. Because I have a few old cars, including a sports racer, they tend to get laid up a lot. I don't keep them on stands. Sometimes the tires flat spot, and I notice this more on the Dunlop vintage race rubber, but they do recover quite quickly. For a lay-up of a couple of months, I don't think you need to do that. I do try to control humidity in the garage - I live in the tropics. Cheers, Andres.
     
  4. dignini

    dignini Formula 3

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2005
    Messages:
    1,348
    Location:
    NJ
    Full Name:
    Luigi Marazzi
    Good points, thanks. I was worried about flat spotting the tires and did not think the suspension would effected....I guess I'll rethink .
    I do wonder about new suspension bushes just sitting there unused as these have been, do they have a shelf life?
     
  5. ferrari dino

    ferrari dino Karting

    Joined:
    Feb 16, 2006
    Messages:
    180
    Location:
    Southern California
    Full Name:
    John Kennedy
    If you deflate the tire it may effect the seating of the bead on the rim. If you keep it inflated it would keep the correct pressure on the sidewalls.

    If you don't want flats spots from sitting I may suggest raising the car and supporting it on the frame at all four corners. Raise the wheels the same amount but support them by the suspension. This will give you the same ride height but the wheels will be off the ground.
     
  6. dignini

    dignini Formula 3

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2005
    Messages:
    1,348
    Location:
    NJ
    Full Name:
    Luigi Marazzi
    Thank you for the reply.
     
  7. BigTex

    BigTex Seven Time F1 World Champ Owner Rossa Subscribed

    Joined:
    Dec 6, 2002
    Messages:
    79,380
    Location:
    Houston, Texas
    Full Name:
    Bubba
    You do have to be careful as I have heard of older Konis "freezing" up at extended positions....kind of embaressing I'd think..

    There are cradles to resist flat spotting...how long are we talking about????
     
  8. Meister

    Meister F1 Veteran Silver Subscribed

    Joined:
    Apr 27, 2001
    Messages:
    5,516
    Location:
    Duluth, MN
    Full Name:
    The Meister
    There are many things you can do to prevent/protect against them, cradles, foam insulation, rubber mats, etc.

    My cars sit for 6-7 months/year. When I pull them out in the spring and go for the first drive, usually I don't feel any sort of flat spots/vibration. One time I did on my 66 corvette with repo redlines... first mile or so I could feel some vibration and then it was gone.

    My $.02 is that it's not much of an issue.
     
  9. Pantdino

    Pantdino Formula 3

    Joined:
    Jan 13, 2004
    Messages:
    2,069
    Full Name:
    Jim
    Letting the suspension sag would reasonably cause premature failure of the bushings, which are expensive to replace. This is because the rubber is bonded to the metal of the inner and outer sleeves, so there is no actual rotation during compression movement--it is the rubber stretching that allows that.

    If the rubber is under the tremendous stress of being distorted constantly from its rest shape / position it will probably crack sooner.

    If you want to prevent tire flat spotting you could roll the car back or forward a little every month or two, or raise it and rotate the tires, so it rests in a new position.
     
  10. Andy 308GTB

    Andy 308GTB F1 Rookie Lifetime Rossa

    Joined:
    Jun 2, 2004
    Messages:
    2,666
    Location:
    Essex, UK
    Full Name:
    Andy M
    That's all I have ever down with my 308 during the long damp winters here in the UK.
    I simply roll the car forward so the tyres are sitting on a fresh area.
    The car does resist the movement and tries to roll back to the original position, so some very temporary flat-spotting does take place.
    I have never had a problem (with tyres...)
     
  11. dignini

    dignini Formula 3

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2005
    Messages:
    1,348
    Location:
    NJ
    Full Name:
    Luigi Marazzi
    Thank you all for your input.
     
  12. DinoDriver

    DinoDriver Formula Junior

    Joined:
    Mar 14, 2005
    Messages:
    537
    Location:
    Leesburg, VA
    Full Name:
    Bill Ebert
    Dignini,
    One other consideration about annually introducing a fresh charge of air (and moisture) into your wheel/tire assemblies . . . magnesium oxide. Very bad stuff for your stock Dino Cromodora mag alloy wheels. This is a nasty black oxide that can severely damage your wheels from the inside out. I just put a new set of XWXs on my '74 Dino and, during the process, I carely inspected for this problem. Sure enough 3 of the 5 wheels showed surface MgO2 in a few spots on the bead area. I used emory cloth to clean the areas and sprayed the effected areas with gray primer. That was probably not the ideal solution but I didn't have time to do the proper research.

    Using nitrogen rather than regular air would probably help prevent this problem.

    I think the Compagnola wheels that come with the Daytona option are aluminum, so this wouldn't apply.

    Anybody have additional knowledge/thoughts/experience with this problem?

    Bill
     
  13. dignini

    dignini Formula 3

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2005
    Messages:
    1,348
    Location:
    NJ
    Full Name:
    Luigi Marazzi
    The moisture issue was on my list also, I did not consider the suspension ramifications as pointed out, but felt that moisture trapped might not be good. The wheels do not show signs of oxidation on the inside and the rubber and tire beads are all still good as new(they where new, now NOS). On balance, I believe leaving them uninflated was probably right, now I just need to check the suspension stuff. I've read about the advantages of Nitrogen, but really know nothing about it.
     
  14. dignini

    dignini Formula 3

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2005
    Messages:
    1,348
    Location:
    NJ
    Full Name:
    Luigi Marazzi
    well 5 years later!!!!!
    I checked my wheels and tires, one tire had been left inflated, there was no difference to the rims. Except they look older..... some pitting here and there. They have to be refinished again.
     
  15. TireCrawlerNikki

    TireCrawlerNikki Rookie

    Joined:
    Nov 11, 2009
    Messages:
    4
    Keeping the Tire off the Surface is a great Idea , Deflating the air is not harmful nor really necessary as tires naturally leak air
     
  16. dignini

    dignini Formula 3

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2005
    Messages:
    1,348
    Location:
    NJ
    Full Name:
    Luigi Marazzi
    I though I had deflated all five, however I forgot about the spare, it still held 20psi. Not bad after 5 years!!!!
     
  17. abstamaria

    abstamaria F1 Rookie

    Joined:
    Feb 11, 2006
    Messages:
    2,668
    Full Name:
    Andres
    That was quite an experiment, Dignini. Now we know. Many thanks! Andres
     
  18. dignini

    dignini Formula 3

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2005
    Messages:
    1,348
    Location:
    NJ
    Full Name:
    Luigi Marazzi
    Hopefully it wont be in the same condition in 5 years...
     

Share This Page