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Kimi and Lotus - Issues and drama

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  1. ZAMIRZ

    ZAMIRZ Formula Junior

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    I told you so :)
     
  2. Wolfgang5150

    Wolfgang5150 F1 Rookie

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    I just realized I've been paid more this year than Kimi!
     
  3. classic308

    classic308 F1 Veteran

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    Most of us speculated that Kimi and Allison moved to Ferrari because like most people they actually like to get paid for their efforts. Imagine busting your ass, not getting paid and then getting screamed at? Kudos to Kimi for staying calm through all this-his moniker fits perfectly.
    That said I hope he wins all the remaining races so the team can get their constructors ' $ and MAYBE Kimi can finally get paid.
     
  4. SlvSurfer

    SlvSurfer Formula Junior

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    Just read this quote on espnf1:

    "There are discussions between Gerard and Kimi and it obviously involves our parent company and shareholders," he said. "Kimi has some emotions, yes. He's not an Iceman like we all believe he is. He's a normal guy."

    Low blow.
     
  5. ARTNNYC

    ARTNNYC F1 Rookie
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    This is starting to sound like "THE CHECKS IN THE MAIL" to me. It does NOT take 4 months to comply..
     
  6. VIZSLA

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    The press is riding what is basically an old story for what its worth now that the championship is sown up and there isn't much else to write about.
     
  7. Blue@Heart

    Blue@Heart F1 Rookie

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  8. Edward 96GTS

    Edward 96GTS F1 World Champ
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    so lotus is travelling around the world with a credit card seriously over due? hotels arent getting paid? restaurants, bars, etc?
    wonder if the team principals are being paid? no one on the team has a home mortagage to pay?
     
  9. MalibuGuy

    MalibuGuy F1 Veteran

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    #59 MalibuGuy, Nov 2, 2013
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    Excuse me. Are you saying that these are the terms of the contract between KIMI and LOTUS?

    If so why didn't Lotus just say that they intend to pay Kimi by the end of the season as the contract stipulates.

    If you don't know what the contract says, let us know.

    But even with a well written contract, things can become a mess.
     
  10. MalibuGuy

    MalibuGuy F1 Veteran

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    Alonso isn't the problem. Alonso isn't the answer either.
    Kimi + Alonso may not be the answer either.
    Hasn't the problem been the car?
    IMO Ferrari should hire some of the aero & chassis talent away from Red Bull.
     
  11. Bas

    Bas Four Time F1 World Champ

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    I seriously doubt kimi is acting without a lawyer on this. His manager will run that stuff behind the scenes. He's got the Robertsons' behind him as managers, those guys are incredibly intelligent/shrewd. I don't think he'd risk his cash that Lotus owes him by going back on his contract unless they knew what they're doing.

    He can make it much, much worse for them. If they don't pay him by start of testing or the actual racing season, he can lay claim on Team Lotus and the first thing they'd lay claim on is the E22. If Lotus doesn't race sponsors will sue them and it's the end of Lotus.

    As I said...Kimi as them firmly by the balls.
     
  12. Bas

    Bas Four Time F1 World Champ

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    Apparently Ferrari have now also advised Kimi to sit out the remaining races and join them early at the factory unless he gets paid.

    Although no real surprise that as Ferrari is on the cusp of falling to 4th ;).
     
  13. ross

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    apparently, one of the issues is that lotus contracted with kimi at 50k euros per wc point the team gained....so far they have 285 points, so they owe him more than 14 million euros, and the season isnt over. so it is conceivable they will owe him about 15 million euros... and they may not have it.
     
  14. Bas

    Bas Four Time F1 World Champ

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    + his basic still

    :eek:

    So closer to 20...
     
  15. GTE

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    you seem to be quite aware of the content of the contract...
     
  16. Lycanthrope

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    Here is a TS-article on the subject - it's clear that Kimi would had raced without telling about unpaid salaries had they not accused him of being a bad team player after India:

     
  17. VIZSLA

    VIZSLA Four Time F1 World Champ
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    Lotus can't afford him to race the rest of the season!
     
  18. Bas

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    It appears so.

    ...
     
  19. thirteendog

    thirteendog Formula 3

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    I can't believe no one has made the office space reference here. Poor Kimi I bet they even took his red swingline stapeler.
     
  20. Bas

    Bas Four Time F1 World Champ

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    So support structure failed.

    At least no sabotage but he'll start at the back :(
     
  21. Simon^2

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    Just curious,...

    Is Grosjean paid by the team,... or his personal sponsors? Has he been paid?
     
  22. ARTNNYC

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    good question
     
  23. greyboxer

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    Joe Saward is now reporting the new funds deal has completed and Autosport says Robertson and Genii have spent two days agreeing that if the check clears beforehand Kimi will appear at Austin

    Jackie Stewart was quoted earlier in the weekend as saying at least three teams have not paid their drivers this year.....
     
  24. jjmalez

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    Mansoor Ijaz, chairman of a consortium of private investors buying a 35 percent stake in the team, told reporters at the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix that talks with the 2007 world champion's manager had prevented a potential walkout.

    "We intend to not only make sure that they (the unpaid wages) are made whole, and then some, we are intending to also compensate our employees and management team.

    "I am confident that he (Raikkonen) will run the last two races and fulfil his professional obligations to us and us to him," added the U.S.-based businessman.

    Raikkonen, who retired after a first lap collision in Abu Dhabi, made headlines before the race when he turned up a day late and told reporters he had considered not competing because of unpaid wages and other issues.

    Formula 1 - Lotus investors say Raikkonen row resolved - Yahoo Eurosport UK


    Joe
     
  25. Fast_ian

    Fast_ian Two Time F1 World Champ

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    Wrong.... It was known in India he wouldn't show up "early".

    [Not aimed at you of course, but "dodgy" reporting again IMO. ;) ]

    Now, his "I haven't been paid $ one" comment, that's a different tale. Also reads like the guys (and gals) need paying too! :eek:

    Hopefully his word is good.

    Cheers,
    Ian
     

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