Kimi Bashers -c'mon down.

No, they lynched [Schumacher] because they thought he was too old. Do a search. It's enlightening, but also S.O.P.

The funniest part is, these charity-case gimmick fans don't realize that what they have on their hands isn't the next Michael Schumacher, but closer to the next Gilles Villeneuve. Despite this, they still can't root for the guy but they'll happily place Gilles (who held the same 'win it or bin it' philosophy, and stubbornness as Raikkonen) on this amazing pedestal. It doesn't need to be said, but ask any of the historians here who Enzo Ferrari repeatedly said was his favorite driver...

And yes, we're all quite aware that Gilles never won a WDC.

 

Works for me.

And Mike; you left me off the list. Wuzup ?

 

LOL!

 

do you really think KR is like Gilles ?

I never understood the Gilles thing (I know Enzo said he showed them where the weaknesses were in the cars) , but Schumacher could nurse a sick car home, Gilles would just cane it mercilessly

 

Apples and oranges. The worst Ferrari Michael ever drove (well, '96) would have been a dream compared to some that Gilles wrestled with. Back then, the drivers had to manhandle the cars. Today, a couple glitches mean you nose into the garage and call it a day.

 

Give me a break.....

 

Jack, trust me, I remember the fragility only too well of the cars back during the 21 year drought , how many times did we see Ferrari out of the race inside the first 20 laps back in the bad old days ??!!

and just for the record, the year Gilles killed himself would probably have been the year either he or Pironi would have been WDC so in comparison to their contemporaries the Ferraris were the pick of the litter

 

John,

Read up more on Gilles, he was not the car destroyer that he is portrayed. Some of his best races were in the wet, or when he won on the too softer compound and nursed the car ever so gently home.

Yes he was 110% racer thus if he had a snif he had a go ... magnificent.

We also have to remember that while Ferrari were hopeless when MS arrived they were still probably the 2nd or third best team on the grid ... which ofcourse is a big step back. Thus in those 21 years Ferrari were always in the top 4 teams, never Minardis.

I've also watched MS race way too fast in his early Ferrari years and that is why it took him so long to bag that first WDC ... ie. Spa in the rain, other races where he should have just bagged 2nd.
Pete

 

OK I will give you a break. Simple facts are that Kimi is very fast when he wants to be. The thing is in racing you have to be fast all of the time or at least be in the condition to put your best effort into the car on race weekends. Kimi is not only driving well in the last two races but he looks alive. By looking alive I mean look at the colour in his face and look how upbeat he is. He is like that right now becuase he is on the wagon. It is well known in the F1 paddocks that he likes to drink and you can put DRINK in capitols because thats just the way he does it. Have you ever tried golfing after a long night drinking? Well driving an F1 car is a lot worse. So lets hope that he stays the way he has been for the last couple of races otherwise Massa will be our only hope.

 

Of course I do. Remember the Canadian Grand prix last year? Raikkonen was running second fiddle to Fernando all day and then on the last corner before the front straight (the hairpin) on the second-to-last lap, he ran wide on the marbles and finished third behind Schumacher. In the press conference, they asked Kimi if he was disappointed in finishing third and not second, and he said:

"It does not matter if I finish second or third, if I cannot win it's all the same. The position doesn't matter if I cannot win."

...or something along those lines.

Irregardless, Your caning of cars mercilessly in reference to Gilles sounds basically like Kimi. So does PSk's "Gilles was a racer 110%." Kimi won a ****ing world snowmobiling championship two days before he won the Australian Grand Prix. That has to be some Sutreesian record or something.

 

I think 355 needs some aloe for that burn.
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You seem eager to call him an alcoholic. Do you have any proof of this? The occasional night out drinking with the boys is very common and harmless (unless the strippers have sharp teeth...) but maybe you have access to legitimate facts saying he does this every night? Or do you just not like him personally so you're making things up?

 

hi Pete, I've read plenty, don't want to sidetrack this thread, best to say he was a great driver and move on, after Senna Gilles is one of the most loved and it only ends in arguments

 

, fair enough.

I'll close saying my view changed on him slightly (always loved the 110% part) when I read some more articles about his wet weather driving, etc. I have to respect people that live for their chosen sport and don't just participate (like 90% of todays drivers).

Best
Pete

 

A good question. Driver or car. Or both.

F1 racing is extremely exact and very competitive. To win the car and driver must be as close to perfect as possible. He who makes the fewest mistakes usually wins.

I imagine that many hours must be spent at team meetings trying to decide how much was the car and how much was the driver. The driver must be able to evaluate his own performance OBJECTIVELY so that the team is working on a real problem. You can't solve the problem if you don't know what the problem is.

The more consistent the driver, the easier it is for the team to figure this out. Schumi in his prime rarely made a driving mistake. But drivers are HUMANS. They make mistakes, sometimes without knowing why. This is where coaching and management come in. Helping a driver be at his best is a very tough job. In business this is called management. there has to be a repore between driver and team via management.

Putting egos aside is necessary for a team to function at its peak.

Hopefully, Kimi, car, management and team are all on the same page and functioning as a unit now. This is not easy and takes tons or WORK.

Good question. I wish I knew. I hope SF knows the answers.

Forza Ferrari

 

ok, so what you're saying is we send the whole team to the ski fields ?

also I NEVER believe the term 110%

no such animal, my maths only goes to 100% , every percentage point after that is BS factor

I do believe GV was close to 100% though, I'll bet his wife doesn't (although if you watch Formula Villenueve she seems to have almost encouraged him !!)

Imagine watching Ferrari with Nikki Lauda and Schumacher as the drivers, would be the best car but the racing would be as boring as batpoo ... "my car is 0.00000001% faster than your car thru turn 54 Nikki, wonder why that is ?? "

 

Good stuff SRT MIKE!!!! LOL

 

I would never make something like that up. Passed out on the floor on a race week is not "the occasional night out drinking with the boys".

Also its easy to see that sgt just couldnt wait to get his licks in on this one and I guess one cant blame him......BUT it might have bee a little premature. I would have waited a little longer. It is very easy to break down the 9 races thus far and show where Kimi is at and why but the last 2 races could both have been lost to Massa had it not been for the traffic last week and the stall today. Lets see Kimi beat Massa head to head a few times before we crown Kimi. All in all its a interesting season and Im enjoying the Sundays.

 

You mention 'traffic' and that if Massa didn't have to deal with it, he would've won, and 'if' this or that, he would've won this race,..jeezus! you conveniently ignore the fact that, maybe, if he'd done better dispacthing the 'traffic' his odds would've improved. EVERY driver has to deal with traffic at some point in a race--some are much better than others at movie through a field...you cannot use that as an excuse. seeing what you want to see does not make it so...

 

Easy does it. It was a racing accident.

 

Let me be crystal clear on this:

If Kimi wins the next 7 championships, I still won't like him.

 

sorry, in hindsight it does look like I implied suicide

I still blame Pironi, although that poor bugger got it in off-shore racing

 

my wife thought she saw him smile on the podium last night but I told her it was wind