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Kimi vs. Massa - ITV analysis of who's really faster..

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  1. V12scream

    V12scream Karting

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    Interesting review of the season so far between the two:

    http://www.itv-f1.com/Feature.aspx?Type=General&PO_ID=39911

    KIMI VS MASSA - WHO'S FASTER?


    The battle for supremacy within Ferrari's driver line-up has been much closer than many anticipated in 2007.

    Felipe Massa's stock has risen thanks to two accomplished victories and a consistent points-scoring run, but is he really faster than Kimi Raikkonen? Expert analyst Mark Hughes looks at the facts.

    Kimi Raikkonen’s return to winning form for Ferrari in France saw him produce the sort of error-free, consistently-on-it sort of drive he’s been failing to deliver since Bahrain, the third race of the season.

    Ever since that event – where he left an open door on the first lap that Fernando Alonso walked through, then was later half-asleep on the restart behind the Safety Car – his races have been compromised by little lapses.

    At Barcelona he lost a crucial place off the grid, at Monaco he made an inexplicable error in Q2 on Saturday that restricted him to mid-grid, in Canada he damaged his wing at the first corner against the back of team-mate Felipe Massa, at Indianapolis he again lost crucial places off the grid.

    In two of those races – Bahrain and Spain - Massa took consecutive beautifully accomplished victories.

    So the perception built that Massa was ‘blowing away’ the man who prior to this year had the unofficial tag of ‘world’s fastest driver’.

    But actually it hasn’t been like that.

    Raikkonen’s shortfall this year has not been one of raw performance, but of sharpness, of making the right instinctive moves in the competitive heat of the moment.

    The underlying speed behind the little errors that have proved so costly has been very much there.

    In fact, the last time that Massa was genuinely faster through a weekend was in Malaysia, the second race of the year.

    In fact, that was the only time Massa had been faster all year until, ironically, France – where Kimi won, aided by a better strategy.

    The idea that actually Raikkonen has been overall the faster Ferrari driver is very much against the perception and so will take some explaining.

    The picture has been skewed by differing fuel weights in the top-10 run-off sessions, but let’s look at it race by race…

    Australia. No comparison possible, because of Massa’s gearbox problem in Q2 that kept him out of the run-off. Raikkonen took a dominant pole and win but his team mate was out of the picture. Speed score: Raikkonen 0, Massa 0.

    Malaysia. Massa was quicker all weekend, by a couple of tenths. Felipe made a Horlicks of trying to pass Hamilton and so Kimi got the result. But in terms of speed Maasa was the man. Speed score: Massa 1, Raikkonen 0.

    Bahrain. Both of Raikkonen’s new tyre qualifying runs were baulked by traffic. So no comparison possible. Speed score remained therefore at Massa 1, Raikkonen 0.

    Spain. Massa was on pole, Raikkonen only third but there was absolutely nothing between them once fuel weights were taken into account. We didn’t get to see this play out because Raikkonen retired before his first stop. But team members confirmed that he’d been fuelled three laps heavier than Massa. Score remained Massa 1, Raikkonen 0.

    Monaco. Raikkonen made that bizarre error in Q2 that damaged his suspension and kept him out of the run-off. However, throughout the weekend up to that point he had been consistently 0.2-3s faster than Massa.

    he team confirmed that he had achieved a much better handling balance than Massa, and wasn’t being compromised by understeer. They were deeply disappointed with Kimi’s accident as all their data suggested he would have been pushing the McLarens for pole. Remember, we’re only talking performance here. Kimi was the quicker Ferrari driver and only his accident and compromised starting position disguised it. Running score: Massa 1, Raikkonen 1.

    Canada. Raikkonen qualified ahead – despite a fuel load one lap heavier. Running score: Raikkonen 2, Massa 1.

    USA. Massa qualified ahead but by less than the amount he should have done, given his lighter fuel load. Running score Raikkonen 3, Massa 1.

    France. Massa’s pole was still half a tenth quicker than Raikkonen’s lap when you fuel-adjusted for Kimi running three laps more fuel. Running score: Raikkonen 3, Massa 2.

    The shortfalls in Raikkonen’s performances have been not raw speed but apparent concentration lapses.

    He’s not been prone to these at any other time in his F1 career, and as such the suspicion must fall to his fitness levels/

    But in France, he was flawless.

    He used his heavier fuel strategy to beat Massa, but it required that he beat Hamilton off the start and that he then stayed close enough to Massa to be able to use his three low fuel laps to advantage each time Massa stopped.

    He did each of these things to perfection. What he desperately needs to do now is build on that, make that sort of consistency the norm that it used to be. Then we’d have the Kimi Raikkonen that Ferrari signed.

    Let’s wait and see.
     
  2. racerx3317

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    Sounds prtty much true, i still expect him to be beating Massa handily by the end of the year.
     
  3. PhilNotHill

    PhilNotHill Two Time F1 World Champ
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    OK. If Kimi stops making mistakes he will be faster.

    If my aunt had b@lls she'd by my uncle.

    If "ifs and buts" were candy and nuts, what a Merry Christmas we'd all have. :D
     
  4. Ferrari_lvr

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    Absolute genius.
     
  5. 1_can_dream

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    Massa has gotten better under the watchful eyes of Schumacher and why is it so hard for everyone to believe that Massa might be on par if not outright quicker than Kimi. Granted Kimi should be getting better throughout the season getting used to the car and hopefully more used to the Italian way of doing things in the Ferrari garage. However Massa has been performing better more consistently than Massa so why must he be the slowest? Either way I don't care as long as a Ferrari is winning. :)

    How'd I do?
     
  6. yzee

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    That was pretty good. Respect.
     
  7. Senna1994

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    +1 I hope he beats everybody and takes the 2007 WDC! Massa who?
     
  8. PSk

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    ?

    Always thought he was chasing his tail :D
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  9. 1_can_dream

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    Gah and I can't even edit it haha.
     
  10. DGS

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    Kimi has always been a "quick" driver, over some lap or another. With the old one hour qualifying format, he'd probably be collecting pole positions. With the current format, being able to do the quick lap on demand is more important.

    But consistency is an important factor in an 18 race season, and lack of consistency over a 60-70 lap race can also explain a high DNF rate.

    And, so far, Massa has been doing a consistent job. Kimi hasn't.

    Okay, so Kimi has been trying out a few tactics that haven't worked. I didn't complain about the cars passing Kimi off the line at Indy, because he was on hards when the others were on softs -- and he got it back when the softs went on his car. Interesting try, but it didn't work.

    But Kimi got ate for a light snack off the line in Spain, and there was no excuse there.

    In France, the win went with the luck of the traffic. Massa got balked, Kimi didn't. Luck does play a part in F1.

    But we haven't seen a wet race, yet. And while Massa has shown the ability to hold off a challenge at the start, we haven't seen him doing much overtaking on the track. (Of course, people complain that we haven't seen much of *any* overtaking on the track.)

    So I think that both Ferrari drivers have room for improvement.

    Which may be an important point for the makes championship. While the engineers at Ferrari and McLaren improve the cars, Ferrari can also make gains improving the drivers.

    They say Enzo was always happiest when he saw something to make better.
     
  11. YellowbirdRS

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    +1 Nothing more to say.
     
  12. PhilNotHill

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    +1

    Good Analysis, DGS.
     
  13. spang308

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    01 Lewis Hamilton 64
    02 Fernando Alonso 50
    03 Felipe Massa 47
    04 Kimi Räikkönen 42
    05 Nick Heidfeld 30
    06 Robert Kubica 17
    07 Giancarlo Fisichella 16
    08 Heikki Kovalainen 12
    09 Alexander Wurz 8
    10 Jarno Trulli 7

    They don't pay points or give out trophies for qualifying laps. To become WDC requires consistency. Something Kimi has never really had in his career. Note the WDC standings above. Lewis only has two wins as well, but has never finished off the podium.
    That speed calculation posted by V12scream must have been done by Kimi's Mom. Only she could think Kimi has done a better job than Massa at this point.
    Massa might not be the best driver in the world, but he has done a really good job for Ferrari while he has been there. Kimi has been average and has made mistakes.

    If going fast but not finishing was coveted, Ralf would be in demand. All except the fast part of course...

    Spang
     
  14. blackenzo

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    kimi never really had a consistent car. its not his fault mclaren broke down all the time. he would of been 2005 WDC if the car didnt break down on him soo many times.
     
  15. spang308

    spang308 Formula Junior

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    ...and his Ferrari has broken how many times?
     

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