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  1. GogglesPisano

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    #1 GogglesPisano, Nov 22, 2024
    Not one to leave well enough alone, I'm tempted to swap out my Kline stainless steel exhaust for an Inconel version to get more of a higher pitch. I bit the bullet and have their Inconel headers on order but I did that blind as I've seen absolutely zero reviews on their inconel exhaust parts on the F430 (save for the scud). I've seen tons of reviews on the newer cars like the 488 but nothing from our generation. I know the quality is top notch so not looking for info on that, more or less wanting to know anybody has experience with the sound of their inconel parts. Would headers be just fine or would I really see a difference on the exhaust as well? Maybe the combo of the two will sound fantastic? I don't care about weight savings, strictly sound. I'd like to take advantage of a potential black friday discount, otherwise I'd wait until the headers were in to make the call, but I'll likely see those after the new year.
     
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    #2 CoreyNJ, Nov 23, 2024
    I also keep toying with the idea of swapping out my stainless Kline for the Inconel version. The only thing that prevents me from doing that is the idea that if the Inconel cracks or has any problems, no one I know can fix it. With stainless steel, you can weld cracks or remove dents.

    Don't get me wrong, the idea that it looks perfect and brand new all the time without much work is very tempting with the higher pitch sound of Inconel....
     
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    #3 GogglesPisano, Nov 23, 2024
    it’s that a legit concern though? I’ve yet to have a stainless exhaust crack on cars I drive tens of thousands of miles in. For the few thousand miles a year I drive the F430, I would imagine things should hold up fine? Or is inconel extra brittle or something?
     
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    #4 jo.e, Nov 24, 2024
    I have the Inconel manifolds and the Inconel Valvetronic system and am very satisfied. It's not the sound for which I would buy Inconel but other advantages. It is of course thinner walled and it sounds a bit higher and more voluminous. That makes the sound special. But I would say that most owners don't hear such a big difference that they would take Inconel for that reason alone and pay the extra price. In my opinion, there are much more important advantages here. I am a Kline partner for the Ferrari ECE systems, which I have legalized, for Germany, Austria and Switzerland and I also organize a large Ferrari 360 and F430 meeting once a year. So I think I am in a good position to judge what the advantages are:

    • Weight: The weight saving compared to stainless steel is astonishing. This makes particular sense for the Scuderia, but also for all owners for whom this is important.
    • Warranty: 4-year warranty for stainless steel and 99 years for Inconel speak for themselves. This should dispel any remaining doubts as to whether Inconel is susceptible or not. Inconel even gets stronger the more often it gets hot. An incredibly strong material. This makes a lot of sense, especially with the manifolds. By the way, I always recommend ordering the manifolds and catalytic converters with the heat protection from Kline.
    • Appearance: The new look stays as good as new for longer or, in the case of some parts, forever. It does not tarnish like stainless steel
    These are the main advantages I would mention. It is THE high-end material for exhaust systems and for me there is nothing else. Everyone has to decide for themselves whether they want to pay the extra price, but if you think long-term, the decision is perhaps even clearer. I love all my Inconel parts.
     
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    #5 Mario Andretti, Nov 24, 2024
    <html> I have one statement to make: Kline is made in Romania. </html>
     
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    #6 jo.e, Nov 24, 2024
    And what are you trying to tell us?
     
  7. GogglesPisano

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    #7 GogglesPisano, Nov 24, 2024
    Thank you, Jochen. Do you happen to have any videos or sound clips of a standard F430 with inconel exhaust?
     
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    #8 GogglesPisano, Nov 24, 2024
    I have zero concerns about quality from Kline. Being from Eastern Europe myself, I know there are just as many masters of trades over there as anywhere else. Location does not dictate quality.
     
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    #9 jo.e, Nov 24, 2024
    I have it from my car on the dyno... Inconel headers and Inconel valvetronic system.

    Yes, this is the case. Kline makes all the Inconel system for RUF Porsche. I have nothing else to say. :D
     
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    #10 GogglesPisano, Nov 24, 2024
    Please post up when you’re able to. Would love to hear it.
     
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    #11 collegeboy, Nov 25, 2024
    Same. You can find good and bad quality all over the world.
     
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    #12 ShineKen, Nov 25, 2024
    You will be decently satisfied with Inconel exhaust components from Kline. However, F430 Inconel manifolds from Kline is a different matter and it has nothing to do with the material, but more to do with their 4-1 design.

    Then again, this is my perception from a Scud point of view. It could be different for the F430. Listening to sound clips of full Kline inconel exhaust clips of Scuds, I felt my Capristo manifolds + Inconel muffler/cats… gave a higher pitch.
     
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    #13 CoreyNJ, Nov 25, 2024
    It's not that I expect it to crack, but my car is a keeper, so I look at repairability for everything I purchase. It's also why I have a pile of parts that could wear out and be NLA for my 430 even though I don't need them now.

    As for Kline exhausts being made in Romania, that is a plus over just about any other place in Europe. I'm not saying this because my best friend's uncle from Romania taught me to weld, it's because Romania has a history of welding craftsmanship under the Soviet Union, and craftmanship like that does get passed down. You can see it in the welds on my Kline exhaust. They are perfect, and I don't mean someone boogered the welds and ground them down like I see in stuff from China and even the USA.
     
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    #14 Marco91, Nov 25, 2024
    I think 4-1 is the same also for the Capristo manifols?

    When I had my F430 I've installed a full ss Capristo exhaust - loud indeed but it didn't really had a higher note. For my Scud I think I'm going for a full inconel Kline this time. For the higher pitch I think what really makes the difference is the x-pipe which is something not many brands offer for this car.
     
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    #15 ttforcefed, Nov 25, 2024
    i have capristo headers and cap 200 cel cats with kline muffler on 430 - i cldnt see replacing the muffler just for the inconel personally. the car screams so good.
     
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    #16 ShineKen, Nov 25, 2024
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    Capristo manifolds are 4-2-1, not 4-1.


    Your car didn’t scream because Capristo mufflers aren’t X-pipe design.
     
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    #17 CoreyNJ, Nov 25, 2024
    What makes the Kline system scream (stainless or Inconel) is that the X-Pipe is always in line. This is what I liked about the Fabspeed Supersport exhaust. It was basically an X-Pipe and when I decided I actually needed some type of silencer on the car instead of a divorce attorney, my only option was a Kline to keep that X-Pipe sound. I think Valvetronic, out of PA, recently released a setup like the Kline, which has valves but an X-Pipe all the time, though the Valvetronic is Titanium.
     
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    #18 ttforcefed, Nov 25, 2024
    so i shld swap the cap headers with kline?
     
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    #19 ShineKen, Nov 25, 2024
    Definitely not :).
     
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    #20 ttforcefed, Nov 25, 2024
    4-2-1 or 4-1 for highest pitch?
     
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    #21 ShineKen, Nov 25, 2024
    For 360/F430 I caution against making a broad statement one has higher pitch over the other. I simply go off individual manifolds as not all are designed the same even within “4-1” manifolds. Then there’s how they sound when paired up with an X-pipe muffler. Variables.


    If you’re getting the pitch and sound you want from Capristo manifold + Kline X pipe muffler, no need to change what isn’t broken.

    However, my primary beef with Kline X pipe muffler is it isn’t loud enough for my personal taste. It could be 25-35% louder. Others might consider the volume perfect.
     
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    #22 GogglesPisano, Nov 25, 2024
    There's another thread that talks about this to no end. I feel like it fits with "what oil should I use" :D I looked at this as well, but couldn't find anything definitive as there was a variety of results based on cats/catless type of exhaust, etc. There are so many combinations it was difficult to say one way or the other and few comparison videos where only one component was changed. Usually, you get feedback from someone that has done a full system swap.
     
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    #23 GogglesPisano, Nov 25, 2024
    That's me. I feel like the sound is just right. In fact, I'm worried it's going to be too loud when I swap the headers. I asked if I could get a muffler with extra packing, but it's not possible as I don't like being "that guy" at 7am when I take the F430 to work on Fridays.
     
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    #24 ShineKen, Nov 25, 2024

    I’d leave the muffler alone honestly. It’s quieter than a stock muffler.
     
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    #25 GogglesPisano, Nov 25, 2024
    Yeah, not really planning on making any changes to it. My only real question is does an inconel exhaust really change the pitch a noticeable amount or is it a wash if the headers are already inconel?
     
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