Kreissieg Exhaust System

I was talking to my dealer the other day regarding installing an aftermarket exhaust system (Kreissieg), their reply was Ferrari will drop the warranty if I do so.
is this Ferrari's policy all over the world?
if so, why are they being a bunch of a**holes? I mean come on installing an aftermarket exhaust voids the warranty?
we're talking about a $7,700 exhaust system here not some cheap ass aftermarket crap.

God, i gotta have that exhaust..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZY_kcjzkJ1U&feature=PlayList&p=869DE4F8686B72E7&index=1

 

Affirmative. Has been that way since the late F430s.

No sweat, take it to an independent and hope you do not need warranty work for three years. Costs $500 or so to swap (maybe more where you live). Trouble is they may have no tech data except Ricambi's parts catalog and your owner's manual and maintenance schedule. Good news is there is not much to do on Californias. If the independent does the routine maintenance and you run into serious warranty-type problems, put the OEM exhaust back on and take it back, or pay for it yourself. Not sure how much data the car records, but replacing the rear exhaust should not record anything. Unfortunately, neither will anything your independent does, so keep a good paper trail.

Taz
Terry Phillips

 

That's kind of risking it, voiding the warranty that is.
Specially when it comes to the California being a technological revolution in Ferrari's history, don't you think?
Ferrari's strict policy is killing the tuning market, there are some top-end tuning companies out there that produce parts that has a much higher quality than Ferrari's parts.
A friend installed an aftermarket exhaust system on his Gallardo at the dealer without voiding the warranty, kind of makes you question why Ferrari is being so strict when it comes to aftermarket parts, specially when we're talking about big names like Tubi, Novitec, Kreissieg...etc

While browsing around I found this interesting
http://www.scuderiasystems.com/root-warranty.html

 

Sounds like you do not have to have that exhaust, at least until your warranty expires. Ferrari's theory is fooling with the exhaust can have adverse affects on the injection-ignition system and resultant mixture. Sort of like the 355 guys who wire open their pneumatic exhaust valves and that will affect engine life. No big deal on some cars, but on the 355, yes.

Expect an HGTC or HGTE exhaust in the next year or so, and you can swap that one without affecting the warranty.

Interesting, do the Californias have exhaust valves? Nothing on them in the parts catalog, unless they are electronic and not pneumatic.

Taz
Terry Phillips
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The cali does have dampers. They are vacuum actuated.

You can see them in this video at about 3:35

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3y_XPqBMqv0

and in this picture, below the larger pipe going into the muffler.

You can also see them in the Ricambi parts diagram attached to the mufflers but must not be available separately.
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SG- Interesting because I do not see a vacuum line(s) going to the valve and cannot find a vacuum accumulator to power the system. The brake booster lines go directly to the intake manifold for vacuum, it appears. More research required.

Taz
Terry Phillips

 

Taz, Here you can see the blue hose hanging as they remove the original muffler. It looks like the hose was connected directly to the solenoid valve.
Later on in the video you can see them reconnect the hoses to the solenoid on the capristo muffler.
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SG- Thanks. Will have to do some more hunting now and see where the vacuum originates. The California parts catalog is a little more difficult for finding things than the others. On the other cars a vacuum accumulator has a long line going to rear and T connectors to get it where it needs to go before or after the solenoid.

Taz
Terry Phillips

 

Kreissieg exhaust is pure sex. Here is a 360 with it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpiP-Nsp6zs&feature=related

I think Ferrari get enough CEL issues in stock form. That's why they won't warranty. With aftermarket exhaust, it's almost certain that you'll get CEL from time to time. My Kreissieg exhaust flames at night from what I have heard!

I would value your warranty more than an exhaust mod. If you mod it, be sure you check with Kreissieg to confirm it can be reversed easily. On my Gallardo, much of the rear end has to be removed. It looks like it's easier on the Cali.

 

For my 360, I chose the Ferrari factory sport exhaust upgrade because I did not want to invalidate my warranty. 7 years later, the exhaust headers on my 360 were leaking and the pre-cats were vibrating loose. Ferrari covered new headers under warranty since I didn't use aftermarket.

Replacing the headers with factory parts is very expensive, so going with the factory exhaust option was a pretty good choice moneywise.

But if I went with aftermarket for the exhaust (cheaper than factory) and then with no warranty used aftermarket for the replacement headers( again cheaper than factory) it would have been only a few thousand more.

So you can play with the options



I am sure there will be a factory upgrade option for the California.

 

I guess i'll wait for now.
Was the factory sport exhaust much louder than the stock one?

 

I believe the factory sport exhaust was the Challenge Stradale exhaust, which was louder and sounds great.

Taz
Terry Phillips

 

Correct, same as the F430 muffler.

The factory upgrades will never sound as good as a Kreissieg though.

 

DR3- Affirmative. They seem to have the best fix on the F1 sound. Capristo sounds good, too, just not as high pitched. With valves, both are just about perfect for cruise or WOT scream.

Taz
Terry Phillips

 

I bet, that thing sounds INSANE

 

Yeah I bet the california exhaust sounds insane from KS....Found some videos....I love their products.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFspwXsvVKk&feature=PlayList&p=869DE4F8686B72E7&index=0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snRzd_8-Q-g&p=869DE4F8686B72E7&index=4

 

Wow, in that second video, I think the best sound may be at cruise! That is awesome!

 

I know of a Kreissieg for the Cali that is built and ready to ship.

 

Kreisseig has one instock. So does Capristo.


If anyone needs an exhaust let me know and i'll get you a deal.

 

Even better with no cats!!!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAkndMJL3I4&feature=related

 

The real gains are replacing the OEM stock Ferrari ceramic 700 cell cats with HJS 200 cell tri-metallic catalytic converters and an X pipe that hooks up to the stock california rear mufflers. Reducing restriction and increasing flow add both true usuable power and sports car F 1sound. We have Video and dyno results that verified that the Califorina engine responds very weel the a free flow set of sports race cats.

Have a great day

Joe Fabiani

 

PowerCraft makes pretty good exhaust as well

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I think Kreissieg might sound a bit better though

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