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  1. DF1

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    #1 DF1, Oct 10, 2008
    Hopes Massa wins the WDC :)

    From Crash.net

    Kubica re-opens criticism of aggressive Hamilton.
    Sat 11 Oct, 04:54 AM



    Robert Kubica has said that there is a fine line between being fair and being too aggressive - and feels Lewis Hamilton crosses it to often.

    Robert Kubica stirred up already muddied waters when he was asked who he would rather see win this year's Formula One world championship and launched into another attack on Lewis Hamilton's driving style.

    The Briton had already come in for criticism after a 'robust' performance in the Italian Grand Prix, but Kubica - who Hamilton would have regarded as being among his few friends on the grid after coming up through the ranks with the Pole - said that he felt his rival crossed the line in terms of what was fair.

    Although Kubica himself retains a slim chance of taking the title, and insists that he will not give up the fight despite trailing Hamilton by 20 points, he admitted that he would rather see Ferrari's Felipe Massa take this year's crown because of the way the McLaren man has conducted himself in 2008.

    "My head says Hamilton, my heart says Felipe," the BMW Sauber driver admitted in an interview with Germany's Bild, "Sure, Hamilton has a seven-point advantage but, if you ask who I'd prefer [to win the title], I'd say Massa. He has been underestimated for a long time."

    Asked whether he felt that the battle between the top two, who have been closely matched on track in recent rounds and continued in a similar vein on the opening day of the Japanese Grand Prix at Fuji, Kubica admitted that F1 would be accused of being lifeless if they did not go wheel-to-wheel, but hoped that the battle remained clean.

    "If there are no hard moves, everyone will say F1 is boring! - wheel-to-wheel duels are too rare in F1," he admitted, "But then there are two possibilities [when it comes to [racing]. Either one goes hard, but remains fair, or one is too aggressive and too self-assured."

    The latter category is the one into which Kubica clearly places Hamilton, a rival from both his karting and F3 days. Stirring up the arguments that followed this year's trip to Monza, the Pole revealed that discussions were still revolving around some of the Briton's tactics.

    "What he did, for example, at Monza, that was too much," Kubica insisted, "If you cut Timo Glock off the way he did and push him on to the grass, or if Alonso must brake on the straight because Hamilton pushes himself in front, is it too much - and dangerous.

    "Several of us have the same views on the subject but, at the end of the day, we only can talk about it. If someone is convinced that that is the way to do things, we can have no influence [over them]. Then there must be punishments."

    Hamilton, meanwhile, appeared unperturbed by the opinions, claiming that they were the views of rivals unhappy at having to chase his McLaren.

    "I don't care what the other guys think," he told a media gathering in Japan, "I look at magazines less, I look at websites less, I'm never at my computers and I [rarely] read my e-mails. I just try to avoid [the stories].

    "I'm here doing my own job, I represent my team, myself, my family, my country - and I do it the best way I can. At the end of the day, there are always going to be people you are beating who aren't particularly happy about things. But that's motor racing.

    "I know that my fans have been with me for ages, and I have no doubt that they are supporting me. I am trying not to focus on [the criticism] until I have got the job done. Then I'll think about all that."
     
  2. smart_alek

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    #2 smart_alek, Oct 11, 2008
    Hamilton's response kind of sums up what he thinks. He's a self absorbed jerk. What gose around comes around. He can't complain when someone pushes him off of the track. It's coming, and it will come when his title is on the line in the next 3 races. He can't complain about it either, because the driver who does it will be
    " doing my own job, I represent my team, myself, my family, my country - and I do it the best way I can. At the end of the day, there are always going to be people you are beating who aren't particularly happy about things. But that's motor racing."
     
  3. Modeler

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    #3 Modeler, Oct 11, 2008
    Stupid response since they are having to chase Massa too!
     
  4. tactical

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    #4 tactical, Oct 11, 2008
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    "fine line between being fair and being too aggressive" ey. Sennas driving style springs to mind,:rolleyes:
    I can also recall when not many were impressed with Michael schumacher's style either through his carer, right up to his last seasons antics :rolleyes:
    Boy F1 drivers are not made of the same stuff as yesteryear IMO. It seems that LH is fair game for drivers slagging him of, but what an up roar it would be if he spoke about them. I would just love him to tell them to man the fuuk up, now that would be good:D
     
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    #5 smart_alek, Oct 11, 2008
    He does talk about them. He gets annoyed when they don't move over for him quickly enough, even when they aren't back markers.
     
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    #7 tactical, Oct 11, 2008
    As i said, not of the same stuff.
     
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    #8 tactical, Oct 11, 2008
    Does he, oh thats good then:D:D But the rest of what i wrote stands;)
     
  9. DF1

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    #9 DF1, Oct 11, 2008
    Stands? For what? Evidently Kubica and others feel differently. They are actual drivers. So they know less than you? I think its interesting to see what the drivers actually think. We get so little of it to begin with.
     
  10. Bas

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    #10 Bas, Oct 11, 2008
    What a guy, Kubica is ace!

    we've all talked about it a lot now, hamilton races, but he's not a gentleman racer... He makes unnecesary arrogant moves, perhaps to distract his competitors by trying to make them overreact and spin off. That way, technically hamilton will not be responsible as he wouldnt have touched them. I'm not saying that is his goal, but it wouldnt surprise me that this will happen sometime. His holier-than-thou attitude i dont like either:).

    This will end up in a lewis fan boy slagging of the tifosi again....I have my flame suit on:D
     
  11. Remy Zero

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    #11 Remy Zero, Oct 11, 2008
    i don't have a problem with Hammi's driving style, but i think what he did in Monza was abit overboard. the Mclaren is a quick car, much faster than a RedBull and a Toyota, so pushing Glock 2 wheels off the track into the wet grass at the bng point of the 1st corner isn't a really clever thing to do.
     
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    #12 Bas, Oct 11, 2008
    Exactly my point...it was absolutely pointless, and this is what i mean with his holier than thou attitude on the track. And then some.
     
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    #13 kraftwerk, Oct 11, 2008
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    No need for a flame suit, PM a pic of yourself, Bas ....I'm getting bored of this one...:p
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    #14 Senna1994, Oct 11, 2008
    Excellent. All the power to Hamilton, that is why he will end up in the Pantheon of Champions.
     
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    #15 smart_alek, Oct 11, 2008
    You guys are going on about Hamilton as if he is the only guy who puts on a good show. Remember Kubica and Massa in the wet, banging wheels for two laps? They shook hands after that show, and complimented each other. Kubica has also been in some tricky scraps in his day, but he doesn't seem to play the way Hamilton does.
     
  16. 308luver

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    #16 308luver, Oct 11, 2008
    Everyone who *****es about Hammi loves Schumi. Hamilton hasnt wrecked people in two different WDC chases to try to get the title. So wtf is it. You like agressive or no? Or is everyone just being a hipocitre?
     
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    #17 Bas, Oct 11, 2008
    Sorry Steve, I dont swing that way...;).

    Dont get me wrong though, I respect lewis for his ability to be up there, i appreciate most of his racing...I just dont like the stuff he has said last weekend, how he gets glorified by the uk press (james allen & steve rider in particular) and how he overtakes sometimes. He overtakes though, which lives the race up a lot. If someone supports Lewis, fine. thats their problem:p;). Most of what you read here (from me at least) is all a bit tongue in the cheek:p.
     
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    #18 Tifoso1, Oct 12, 2008
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    Don't you think you are just a tad little early to make that claim ?

    I think the start of today's Japanese GP was a perfect example of what Kubica was referring to. I have no doubt that Hamilton is a good driver and should be a WC during his career, but that was a dumbass move he made at the start.
     
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    #19 GoFerrari28, Oct 12, 2008
    Not exactly. I despise them both.
     
  20. DF1

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    #20 DF1, Oct 12, 2008
    LH has actually admitted his error at the start. All he needed to do was just get through the first turn and collect some nice points. Once again his aggressive nature over ruled good tactical sense. Still learning the boy is, but he just might still take the title this year. Felipe still has his work cut out for him, and cool or wet weather is a good bet in China.
     
  21. absila

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    Fortunately for Lewis, the many drivers that dislike him aren't pricks, otherwise his chances of having an accident in the last two races would be off the charts. Second race this guy takes from Kimi. You don't need rain to shuffle the field when Lewis is driving. One of the most insecure drivers in the field.
     
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    WTF!! Huh!! What are you on drugs man?? What are you reading that you dont understand what i have wrote???
    When i said "the rest of what i said stands" i was referring to this..
     
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    #23 dretceterini, Oct 12, 2008
    I think LH's problem is much more that he folds under pressure rather than being super aggressive..
     
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    #24 smart_alek, Oct 13, 2008
    haha, like I said, what goes around comes around, and he has no right to complain.
    Yet, to him, Massa had no right to race him hard.
     
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    That is certainly not what Hamilton does.

    Quote from Rene Arnoux: "The duel with Gilles is something I'll never forget. You can only race like that, you know, with someone you trust completely, and you don't meet many like him. He beat me, yes and in France, but it didn't worry me. I knew I'd been beaten by the best driver in the world." (http://www.farzadsf1gallery.com/features/dijon79.html)

    At this point no one on the grid trusts Hamilton, not even Heikki.

    Hamilton's style is to butcher his way around a corner pushing/shoving people in the mean time. Clearly not a smart way as what goes around comes around. Ask Timo Glock if next time he'll let Hamilton go unscrapped.
     

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