LaFerrari Minus

Lighter, yes : the battery pack weighs 60kg (132 pounds), plus there's a motor/generator, plus another motor, plus control electronics & systems.

What would you lose? An extra 150~160 hp, plus a healthy amount of low-end torque to complement the high-revving V12.

 

exactly, and probably what we'd (or will??) see in a LaFXX version

 

not optimistic at all :

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/288gto-f40-f50-enzo-laferrari/400951-laferrari-specs.html

 

i wouldn't bet on it ... would you carry an extra passenger, if that passenger also added an extra 160 hp to your drivetrain? Net negative, or net positive ... to your power-to-weight ratio? And remember how low most of that weigh is ... it actually lowers the car's center of gravity

 

i dont think we're likely to see one
removal of the hybrid system in reducing overall weight, would have more affect than the CoG change

 

I understand the presence of the HY-KERS system also affects the tuning of the V12 "...The high levels of torque available at low revs from the electric motor allowed the engineers to optimise the internal combustion engine’s performance at higher revs, thus providing unending power throughout the rev range and a maximum torque peak of over 900 Nm..." [Ferrari].

And the HY-KERS placement reduces the centre of gravity of the LF. So there's more to it than just the hybrid specs alone.

 

they are meant to work in concert, and the weight savings of removal wouldnt necessarily offset the loss in power IMO

 

synergy of the HY-KERS with V12 means instand power response and a wicked powerband from idle to 9k plus. ask Jim G about the difference in feel and outright performance of the P4/5 C with KERS vs 'old' car. LaF should be a very unique driving experience. heck it would be sensational even with 'just' 800hp.

 

Without KERS, you would probably not get 800 hp from the V12, probably closer to the 730 hp of the f12. The KERS allows sacrificing low speed torque in the V12 to gain on the top end.

 

Interesting point.

 

exactly. that is the entire point. that is why all this talk about removing the kers is completely misguided

 

The power band would be very "flat" in the low rev range without the KERS adding the torque.

 

Ask and you shall receive...

Maserati plots new supercar based on LaFerrari (2015) | Secret New Cars | Car Magazine Online

 

Luckily live begins at high revs .

I don't think a sub 1200kg 800hp 6.3 V12 will feel slow at any one point. Slight flat torque curve, perhaps, but you'll get over that so quickly it won't matter on track etc.

 

The Maserati version of "La Ferrari" coming in 2015 seems to think removing the KERS is a good idea.

 

Maybe. I know a former owner that said the MC12 was not as fun as the Enzo on the street. Slower and bigger. He eventually sold it. Not as pretty either.

I don't believe the parent company would allow Maserati to show up Ferrari. It's just another revenue source without pissing off LaFerrari clients.

 

Having driven both I much prefer the MC12 with it's longer wheelbase which makes it much more suitable for racing.

I think the KERS less La Ferrari/Maser will be very nice.

 

to reduce weight and complexity, why not, I don't think the V12 will be 'flat' to drive without it, and certainly they will be able to tune in more power to compensate IMO

please, please let them make it look along the lines of the birdcage concept
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Jim
With your obvious passion for racing, and race cars, have you ever considered an F1 corse clienti car? That, to me, seems like the ultimate way to spend an afternoon.
Kevin

 

A few reasons. Basically I like the time machine aspect of driving. When I drive my 1947 159s I really understand what Enzo was thinking when he made that one and how brave the drivers were who raced it. When I drove it on the Historic Targa Florio at the end of the day even with gloves my fingers were bleeding and I could barely get out of the car. My arms were tingling. I had gone back in time. The mountains, the rain, learning to drive
without brakes to speak of, seeing the sun come out, drying off in the wind that's what I can still see and feel when I close my eyes. I also remember showing her to Clay. RIP

I like modern cars a lot and modern F1's are amazing but my joy is driving time machines on the road rather than pure track lapping. I used to love racing but haven't done that since my children were born but I still like sports cars more than F1 cars. Simply personally taste.
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That's kind of what I thought. (I'm reading enzo ferrari's secret war right now; very timely with your comments on the 159s)
Thanks.
Kevin

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