LaFerrari replacement: v12, no hybrid, less power than SF90stradale?

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This is only my opinion, and I answer you as directly as possible by using the term "artificial"! everything is artificial in a 296, from the magic steering that should make you forget the weight, to the engine character close to an EV, the hot tube inside to reproduce a false sound, and the assistance that drives for you... Not to mention the PlayStation interior and the haptics... In short, all this is icy at the level of emotion

 

I respect your opinion, but we all have an opinion.
The quick steering ratio is part of the magic. Personally, I don't like the slow and heavy steering of older cars.
The engine of new Ferraris is their best part. Instant power that pulls and pulls, till the red line. Why would anyone want lag?
Nothing false about the hot tube. It is the actual sound of the engine, just closer to the cabin.
Do you think that everyone can drive a 1000 HP car without assistance? Even Kimi spun the LaFerrari at Fiorano.
I agree about the haptics though, they are challenging to put it mildly.

 

The magic element makes you don't feel the weight, but you don't feel the front end either...

No one... but it's 1000 times more pleasant a less powerful hybrid NA, than an overpowered hybrid TT

The power levels are stupid, unusable on the open road. With the exception of lovers of straight lines. I prefer a lighter, less powerful car. A genius like Gordon Murray understood this very well

 

On the track you can use very HP and enjoy it to the max. Remember at the end of the day Ferrari is a race car company that also builds awesome street cars. Overpowered, haha, not an issue so far on track.


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Do you see a lot of production Ferraris on the track on a regular basis ? here in Europe, we see one for every 30 Porsche GT3...

 

I only drive race cars on the track for safety reasons. The question is whether there is a roll bar in the GT3, the Ferrari street cars don’t have one, Porsches may. It is nice I suppose to drive to the track and then drive that same car on track, but it is not optimal, though much cheaper. The Ferraris aren’t cheaper and unless you have special track day insurance you are not covered.


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Flux capacitor cooling perhaps? ; )

 

four days since premiere of Huracan replacement, wonder if they will create good sounding turbo engine with red line at 10k rpm

 

Point 1: Probably agree, but modern Ferraris don't bother me for steering weight or feel. Mask the weight, lie to me! lol

Point 2: Not sure I agree, the hybrid in the 296 is VERY well done. However, I'd rather than the ZR1 powertrain

Point 3: I have a 765 which is objectively quicker (I regularly have timed sub 4.75 second 60-130 mph in it with my GPS) and I use the power all the time on the road. It's intoxicating. Now on track, I'm less inclined to believe that much power helps or is needed. Hello Porsche GT3RS.

By the direction of your posts, I can totally see what type of car you prefer. I can probably guess what ERA vehicle would suit you best. 2009-2015 super cars. Perhaps prior, but there was real magic in that era. However, such is the way of progress. Times must move on. Those older cars already exist for us to buy and enjoy. I just posted on here that I'm looking at an Aventador SV to add to the collection just because it's so wild. I bought and SLS AMG this past year because it's from my favorite era and it's uniquely weird for a more modern car. However, I personally also find the 296 amazing. Laferrari performance for 1/10 the money. That's cool just 10 years on.

 

Beg to differ. Modern Ferraris have an amazingly "strong" front end that you can trust. Their turn-in willingness is second to none.

That 's a matter of personal preference, there 's no right or wrong. There is something alluring in both approaches.

What 's wrong with being quick on the straights? No matter the level of power, you only use it after the apex. Why wouldn't anyone want to have the choice of using as much or as little power as they wished? Better to have and not need something than need and not have it.

 

Porsche made 300K cars last year. Ferrari made 13k.


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It doesn't matter in the thread discussion, but just to answer your question, I've done 55,000 kms in a 355 with the Challenge kit, and already 35,000 kms in F12 with the TDF suspension that I've had for 8 years already...

 

I think many people don't realise how much the electronics are playing a part, the cars are absolutely insane with TC fully turned off

I'm personally not too interested in modern ferraris as I don't think i'd actually be faster on the roads I drive on as the limitation already is fear/suicide as oppose to power

 

My point stands. The Lamborghini supercar has a V12. The Ferrari hypercar has a V6.

Don't forget, this will be talked about in the same breath as the Tourbillon (V16), Valkyrie (V12), T50 (V12), some of the most outlandish engines ever to be produced.

And brute performance isn't enough to make a car loved, the SF90 has proven that - it needs that je ne sais quoi and I don't think I'm being unreasonable in saying that a V6 simply doesn't cut the mustard.

Ferrari's halo car will share an engine layout with its entry level sports car...that is a contradiction of the idea of a halo car at a fundamental level.

 

Ferrari has a supercar with a V12, no hybrid, as pure as it gets. It’s called the 12 Cilindri… and don’t come with that “it’s a GT”… it’s a supercar people.

As for the V6 being in the halo car, they used a smaller displacement in the 288 GTO and F40 and they were terrible cars weren’t they. An engine they shared basic architecture with the entry level 308.

That TTV6 has proven itself on the road and has conquered all comers at Lemans twice and the Nurburgring. It’s a worthy engine.

 

I see a Halo car as an attempt at maximum extraction, just as it is with Formula 1. Not an attempt at maximum cylinders, and nostalgia..

Ferrari knows that they’re doing.

 

The 12C is not a supercar.

It is a super car. But not a supercar.

 

But, dial out the trucks and 4-doors and the number of 911-family is about 50,000 (so about 17% of the total)...

 

I'm right that around 70-80% of cars will go to this whom have Enzo and laFerrari in garage?

 

I see your point and agree to the extent.
But you need to be fair also and say it shares engine (and some other stuff) with 2x LM winner car.

The old v12, no matter how nobel, has reach it's peak. The only way was that they developed new v12, which we all wish they did, and all hope that they will.
In the name of tradition, for the sake of future i hope they do.
I actually hope they have some pride in them left, and don't look things strictly from business point of view, and that they will develop new v12.
Old one is history and can't be used in hypercar.
Having seen the car, I would still take LaFerrari 6 days out of 7.

 

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