LaFerrari replacement: v12, no hybrid, less power than SF90stradale?

Can I place an order please ?!

 

To add to the excitement around F250 and its turbo V6, let's all remember that the next one (hypercar), after the F250, would be a pure EV hypercar, and released let's say, every 5 years. (With all the signature Manzoni's design gimmicks)

 

Wasn’t there already a Koenigsegg with three cylinders and one gear? Nobody said ‘sacrilege’ to that!

 

This one? I suspect it was more about complexity/cost than demand but who knows the real story.

https://www.motor1.com/news/727458/koenigsegg-gemera-three-cylinder-engine/

 

It has been shelved. I think this so-called engine downsizing trend is getting nowhere now for the uber-rich customers that want expensive hyper/supercars.
https://www.topgear.com/car-news/supercars/koenigsegg-gemera-be-v8-only-3cyl-tiny-friendly-giant-shelved-now

I honestly hope that this F80 fails in terms of sales so these chump ferrari execs will know that their vision(which is similar to apple) of ferrari cars, that whatever they sell to the customers will be the be all and end all of everything. Seriously from a concerned long time fan, I don't want an expensive kit car for a hypercar. I expect a bespoke engine or an engine that is not related to a mass-produced entry level ferrari a.k.a a 296 with a carbon fiber body nor a v8 from a ferrari roma and most importantly not a hyper-smartphone-car(electric vehicle with haptic buttons and a steering wheel).

 

It won't and it will probably be an amazing piece of kit to boot.

 

If I understand correctly, Ferrari’s victories at the 24 Hours of Le Mans have no value because the 499P is equipped with the V6 engine linked to the 296?

 

My bet, buy the shares [emoji6]


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Wishful thinking. 499P Modificata sold out and waiting list of people wanting even at massive list price.


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Ok, that does not make any sense whatsoever.

If F250 has been in design/etc for many years, how could they have known about the 499P success much less use this new car as a tribute to that success, that would seem to more of a coincidence.

 

Absolutely a great sign for the future of the brand and it’s an example of what truly makes Ferrari special. It’s a triple win; for the customer, the shareholders and the employees!




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Just the decision to compete in WEC/Le Mans is momentous. They then focused the development of the 499P on Le Mans rather than the championship so they must have had some confidence. Even if they didn’t win, it was news. Having won - as was their aim - even more reason to celebrate. With the race car architecture being dictated by what they thought could win, it seems logical that your ‘ultimate expression’ road car would use the same format (lightweight hybrid drivetrain with high aero) - the hypercar has always been the earliest/strongest expression of racing ideas built into a road car. Winning only made it more relevant and worth celebrating.

The V12 is not the future of ‘high performance road Ferrari’, as it has not been for ‘racing Ferrari’ for over 30 years. Here’s where we are; roadcars are split into…

-entry level, which is a V8 and will probably go V6, accessible packaging, easy to use, still feels like a Ferrari
-entry level mid car which is the starter point for the race-car-for-the-road theme - currently V6, like all their race cars;
-super GT - a V12 - not the last word in performance but evocative of Ferrari’s past and its birth format;
-a ‘super mid’ halo car which is more about massive power and demonstrates high tech and the ability for Ferrari to control unnecessarily high output in a high drama package, fills the ‘Aventador/Revuelto segment for Ferrari
-Icona, which uses the traditional V12 powerplant (but could use a V8 if the F40 were ever to be a subject) and is about simplicity and traditional Ferrari themes of old-style beauty and modernity combined, plus high but not outrageous power;
- F250/Hypercar, expression of Ferrari pushing the performance envelope for a road car - power, drama, styling, tech, race learnings;
-XX/Challenge, based on road going chassis, an opportunity for Ferrari customers to be involved in racing, the ultimate expression of Ferrari;

The one that stands at odds is the PuroSangue. Why is that a V12 and not a V6/V8 hybrid or an EV? Maybe that will come but for now, Ferrari’s idea of entering into the ‘FUV’ world seems to be at the super premium end, it’s very name suggests their thinking is “a different, popular and more practical format is fine, but if we do it it should still carry old-school Ferrari DNA”.

Otherwise, their model range decisions seem logical and cover a very very wide group of Ferrari customers with very differing preferences. Ferrari started by using their Performance knowledge from racing to build roadcars that would finance their racing - a virtuous circle. Why should we expect their hypercar to be nostalgic? They already did Icona for that (and by the way, that was a post LDM era idea). Hypercar should be linked to racing and it always has been - F40 used turbo, F50 an actual F1 engine as a stressed member, Enzo with semi automatic gearbox and chassis electronics, LaFerrari with KERS.

 

I can’t wait to see you drive it like you stole it.

 

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I think we don't have to justify everything with the double victory at Le Mans. Toyota has won it 4 times before and Audi with a V10TDI and we think very little about this race by buying some of the R8 V10 produced in dribs and drabs....
I dream of seeing the Valkyrie do the same thing as the McLaren F1 cars and show them that a V12 NA can still win... just to lower the current arrogance of Ferrari too.
Seriously, for a brand whose genes come from racing, it's zero since Kimi's title.It's not 2 small victories at Le Mans, even if it's better than nothing that will make you forget that !
And if I had the means, I would take a GMA or a Valkyrie 1000 times on an F 250.
Why, simply because the most important aspect is emotion, lap times are for professionals...
And the heart of the emotion is the engine. So nothing better than a V12, nothing more complete has ever been built in the history of the automobile. The rest is marketing. This is only my responsibility of course, I don't hold any truth, I just have a precise idea of what a Ferrari should be, in line with the myth that gave me so much emotion and that I find today as bland as a dish of worm beans without sauce...

 

I wish they had done something like this, but with the looks of the 499. It's racier and the V6 wouldn't look out of place at all, so the purists would be happier.

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A Valkyrie win at LM would be quite a story - as you say, like the legendary Mc F1. To then call the 2 x LM wins for Ferrari ‘small victories’ seems strange. How would it be small for Ferrari and a dream for AM?

I guess we are split into two camps here - those for whom V12 is everything and those for whom V12 is really something, among other things. Nobody dislikes a V12 so that camp doesn’t exist. I’m definitely in the camp that the V12 is really something. But it definitely isn’t everything. Otherwise, forget every 911, 918, Carrera GT, Challenge Stradale, Scuderia, Speciale, Pista, F40, 288 GTO and every single McLaren except the F1. The V12 is a celebration and a wonderful thing. But it isn’t everything and we have plenty of V12 cars to entertain us. I’m ready to see what Ferrari serve up for this next hypercar, with no preconceptions or prejudices. I want to be amazed, thrilled, have my eyes widened.

I get your point about lap times being for professionals. I’ve just been on a Scuba dive. I’m wearing a Rolex Deepsea Sea Dweller. It will go down to 3900m depth. I won’t. I’m limited to about 40m. I still love that it can though. I suppose it’s the same with cars. The feeling of driving your best in a car that you know is more capable than you are. Knowing that in somebody else’s hands this thing can tear up the track. What a privilege to be able to drive something like that however skilful you happen to be.

 

Neither of these engines had anything to do with road related engines. Nor did Porsche's V4,

For an Italian, it amazes me that you don't know that the Constructor's Championship is what matters the most. Kimi's title was his own in 2007 (as was Ferrari's 2007 WCC), but Ferrari also won the 2008 title.

So, I guess you hated the GTO (288) and the F40.

I wouldn't eat those worms either...

Only lap times would prove such a claim.

 

That looks so low, wide and purposeful.

 

One thing I am curious about is the five stud wheels. Will that be production spec I wonder. If so, the reason behind it will be interesting to hear.

 

The production CF wheels seen on certain prototypes are, like the development wheels, 5-bolt design.

Possible reasons for staying with the 5-bolt design probably range from being cheaper, maybe lighter, definitely more practical as you don’t need opposite handed center lugs and some cumbersome calibrated torque wrench.

Also, this car is maybe using the uprights common to existing cars though the talk of pushrod spring actuation makes this less possible.

 

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this porsche concept is really pretty. I am not sure if it has the same v4 from the 919 though.