LaFerrari replacement: v12, no hybrid, less power than SF90stradale?

I do not value that v6 that much especially when the first win was because toyota was hindered by BOP rules of WEC. You know how will that v6 be more meaningful? Ferrari should win the WEC Constructor's Title. As long as they are only targeting le mans it won't mean anything to me. Also you want to know why the current ferrari v12 is special? Because it once dominated the defunct GT1 class through the MC12 GT1(aka race version of ferrari enzo in maserati clothing) whereas unlike this v6 it is still getting beaten by the old toyota v6 in some WEC races.


So for short those 2 Le Mans wins doesn't min anything to me as long as ferrari doesn't win the whole WEC. Like for example any current ferrari f1 driver can win the driver's championship but not the constructor's championship will not be that significant as it shows you that they somewhat "won" the championship at the expense of the other driver or just by "luck".

 

LMAO
Toyota was helped so much in the 2023 Title with the BOP and by the BOPs against Ferrari. Toyota in a lot of cases had calls made at races that only helped them and should never have been made at all. like when Toyota messed up there tires in the race and Ferrari had a massive lead that was growing so a safety car that never should have gone out was put out to let them get right back behind the Ferrari. Ferrari was also BOP hard at LM in 2023 and Hit much much harder by BOP at LM in 2024 yet they won. No one really cares about the WEC title but will remember Ferrari won LM back to back. As for the MC12 sorry not a Ferrari and the Engine was also modified. Also the 296 GT3 won the Nürburgring 24 Hours. . Also Ferrari put so much pressure on Toyota at LM 2023 that they made a ton of mistake. If it had not been for the software fault in the final hours of the LM 2023 Ferrari would have won by a lot more. A lot of us wanted the V12 but don't you dare attack the V6 from the GT3 and 499P because you upset. As you clearly hate the V6 maybe its time to leave this thread as the F250 is that V6. Oh did the MC12 win Le Man's or Nürburgring 24hr races ???? You are also Judging the V6 Before you know what it can offer in the F250.

 

I think it would be a fabulous signal for all the enthusiasts that we are.
The Ferrari engineers are the best in the world, and if I strongly disagree with the strategic aspect for which they are not responsible, they have done an extraordinary job to extract so much hp from this engine.
They could have made a Valkyrie a little more usable, the human and financial means allowed it, it's a shame.So yes, it was a little more money spent, and less for the e-factory, but in terms of image the return would have been incredible...
Especially since a new V12 could have powered other cars in production.
Sad

 

The Question is why is Piero letting some of the board milk the Ferrari Brand dry. while going over board with EVs etc and killing the V12 in the process

 

No doubt he lacks the reflection of LCDM...

 

Maybe LCDM need to open Piero eyes

 

Incredible how much this forum has changed in 20 years. Unfortunately, the old ones have become too old to accept change, and the youth know absolutely nothing about motorsport. All that matters on social media today is negativity, and nothing is appreciated at its true value. Enzo Ferrari is not turning in his grave over V6s or other engines, which he also used to win world championships, but people only remember what they want to remember. He is turning in his grave seeing people forget the history that makes this brand so unique. He is turning in his grave seeing people go against evolution and the new technologies he loved so much.

 

"regression" because it is only due to regulations and internal choices of a strategic nature...

 

he just passed 8 billion mark. I think that might be the reason also

 

You don't get it I guess. All hybrid WEC hypercar engines make the same amount of power, as they are capped by regulations at 680 HP (500 KW), so it really is down to aero, reliability, race management and crucially the BOP restrictions. The point is that both in F1 and WEC, (the top tiers of racing) Ferrari uses V6s and that is the connection with the new road going hypercar, as Ferrari have always done in the past (F40 (TT V8) when they had turbo engines in F1 - even though this was really a Group B project, high revving V12s (F50, Enzo, LaFerrari) when they had N/A engines in F1, a turbocharged V6 now). Like it or not, this new engine formula is race proven and this practise is consistent with Ferrari's history.

At the end of the day all this nagging has gotten tiresome. The car (any car) should be judged on merit when it is finally driven and not beforehand based merely on its cylinder count.

 

When the Enzo came out, Ferrari was using V10 engines, so there goes your theory out the window.

 

It's a whole, it's not separable...
But yes, let's talk about the car too

 

Lighter or heavier than Laferrari?

 

Nothing went out of the window. The differentiator is the turbocharged vs the high-revving N/A option. When the F40 came out, Ferrari was using a TT V6 in F1, not a TT V8. So the important thing is not the cylinder count but the type of aspiration (and nowadays the hybridisation).

My point exactly. Judge how the car performs and feels. Don't prejudge by the number of cylinders.

 

Is it possible that the V6 F250 has more displacement than the 296?

 

i like a big wang

 

yes, I expect it will, but not by much.

the big power increase will come from the next generation hybrid system. maybe even turbos linked to the hybrid for instant torque.

In my view, from what we know so far, this car has to thought off more like Ferrari’s version of the Mercedes AMG ONE.

What are we thinking 1250bhp to 1350bhp? I think the SF90 XX has been held back power wise to allow a performance gap for this car?

 

The V6TT will mostly put out around 800hp

 

https://www.pistonheads.com/news/electric-vehicles/updated-2107hp-nevera-r-is-fastest-rimac-yet/48878

2100hp+ + aero and a small amount of reduced weight

will probably be crap on track though still

 

even 3k hp don't change poor sales ....

 

They have already stated its a failure they cant even sell the 150 units who cares about this EV crap

 

Power is not the issue here for once this is not about hp wars

 

Exactly so, the new Bugatti has had lots of orders because instead of chasing being the fastest car on the planet as they used to, they have focused on emotion with their incredible engine and analogue style of interior

this is in contrast to the Rimac which is insanely quick but fails to sell (I think fear of poor resale value is a huge factor too)

 

Hopefully the 500K plus Ferrari EVs will fail and some heads will roll and Ferrari will be back on track.

 

It's interesting watching Bugatti and Pagani lean much more into driving emotion. I always felt like Ferrari was about passion and driving feel, but it seems like they have shifted more towards a techy direction like Apple. It isn't just with this car either, it's been going on for a number of years and a lot of their fan base is unhappy with it which is where I think a lot of the disagreement on this thread is coming from.

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