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LaFerrari replacement: v12, no hybrid, less power than SF90stradale?

Discussion in '288GTO/F40/F50/Enzo/LaFerrari' started by Ale55andr0, Dec 24, 2019.

  1. Johnny_Bravo

    Johnny_Bravo Karting

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    They should.
     
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  3. Johnny_Bravo

    Johnny_Bravo Karting

    Dec 7, 2012
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    It needs to have a NA V12, it's way superior to a TT V8 in terms of sound and driving experience.
     
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  4. Johnny_Bravo

    Johnny_Bravo Karting

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    **** Hybrid. Ferrari need to stick to NA engines.
     
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  5. therryzsx

    therryzsx Formula Junior

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    exactly, it's getting boring because nowadays almost all engines in sport cars are V8 4 liter turbo or V6 3 liter turbo :D
     
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  6. F142George

    F142George Karting

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    IMO LaF chassis, small scale high revving V12 (10500 RPM) (the engine in the Purosangue and next gen 812), small hybridization (supercapacitors for weight), 1250kg, some nice active aero. Perfect.

    The current generation TT V8 is just way too smooth and no lag to give the kind of excitement found in the F40.
     
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  8. therryzsx

    therryzsx Formula Junior

    Dec 2, 2011
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    so basically competitor of Murray T50
     
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  9. George330

    George330 Formula 3

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    By the way, the only reason I mentioned a TT V8 is because there is a rumour that there is new F40-style car coming (no idea if it is true). If you asked me off a blank sheet of paper I would love a stripped out LaF with a 800 hp V12 and manual gearbox. Even if it is not the fastest car in the planet.

    A „pure“ Ferrari that is light (max 1250kg) beautiful and has a great sounding V12 will be an all time Classic and no one will care if it does 0-200km/h in 6.5 or 7.5s


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  10. REALZEUS

    REALZEUS F1 Veteran

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    A lot of people do care and Ferrari certainly won't take a backward step in performance.
     
  11. sp1der

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    Easily sorted to make it raw and laggy or alter torque mapping
     
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  13. willcrook

    willcrook Formula 3

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    this, imo it's the reason why I probably won't buy another new ferrari.

    i'd rather have something small and light, not bothered about performance anymore as everything beyond the 458 spec just feels insane (at least on british roads)
     
  14. therryzsx

    therryzsx Formula Junior

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    what displacement should have high rev V12 from Ferrari? if 5 litre then it need to have max rpm over 11k
    T50 have max revs at 12,100rpm and 3.9 litre
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  15. Johnny_Bravo

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    It should have a 5.5 liter V12 reving over 11 000 RPM.
    And the total weight of the car should be no more than 1000 kg.
     
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  16. therryzsx

    therryzsx Formula Junior

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    Valkyrie have 6,5l, 1013 hp and 11k rpm
    So Ferrari should have at least 900 hp then but 5.5 liter will need to rev higher
     
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  17. REALZEUS

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    Since that applies to all supercars, a buyer with your kind of thinking would be better served by a lesser brand that makes sportscars, instead of supercars. Perhaps the new Lotus Emira is the car fitting that description. Ferraris were always about power and speed.
     
  18. Johnny_Bravo

    Johnny_Bravo Karting

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    The F1 car from 2004 had a NA 3 liter V10 that made roughly 900-950 HP.
    That was 15 years ago. With the current advancements in technology, with 2.5 liters more in displacement and 2 extra cylinders, they sure as hell should be able to make then that.
     
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  19. maha

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    you may have already read on fchat that next icona will be based on laferrari and will be unveiled later this year. do you have more information regarding this?
     
  20. willcrook

    willcrook Formula 3

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    no doubt and I have a deposit on a Emira but my point isn't about disliking how fast modern ferraris are it's just that i'd be willing to sacrifice power for the sake of weight loss - I'd rather have a 500hp 1100kg ferrari than an 1700kg 900hp car.

    not every supercar is heavy and big either as you know!
     
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  21. REALZEUS

    REALZEUS F1 Veteran

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    In the case of Ferrari, they all are there or thereabouts. Ferraris, McLarens, Lamborghinis; 100 kilos up, 100 kilos down, same ballpark. I guess you are disillusioned with modern supercars in general.


    You don't seem to understand the difference between a race engine and a road engine.
     
  22. willcrook

    willcrook Formula 3

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    I really am tbh, I do like the t50 - it's just a shame that it's so expensive to manufacture
     
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  23. REALZEUS

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    Bespoke engine, full carbon chassis, 100-150 units overall, of course it costs an arm and a leg. For that kind of money one would expect Valkyrie's level of performance, not T50's though! Then again I can't afford any of those, just making small talk...
     
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  24. JTSE30

    JTSE30 Formula 3

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    Cannot compare an engine designed to run for a few hours before being rebuilt...you can do a lot of things that would render it impossible to be used for 1000s of miles...not to mention no exhaust emissions to be concerned about...

    Buick did it 20 years before that...
    https://bringatrailer.com/2019/11/01/caffeinated-w-1-9-pounds-per-hp-1985-march-85g-buick-v6-imsa-gtp/

    https://www.hagerty.com/media/automotive-history/buick-racings-forgotten-v-6-juggernaut/
     
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  25. Solid State

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    May I ask why is this perfect? Would want to know if you are bounding your idea of perfection around environmental regulations or do you just favor Ferrari to have smaller engines with electric motors.

    My idea of perfect would be NA V12 at least 7 liters, +13.5 compression and well over 10k revs. Same bespoke, lightweight carbon chassis you like with excellent adjustable suspension and advanced yet beautiful aero including under chassis effects. And a ridiculous amount of exotic leather. Forget electric motors and tiny engines. If regulations are to bound the design then I'd still want the same only Ferrari to make it pass as well. Too much to ask?
     
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  26. REALZEUS

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    So 1960s...
     
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  27. George330

    George330 Formula 3

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    I have zero information and no confirmation that the car is based on the LaF. There is nothing coming from the factory at present…let’s hope it is a nice surprise!


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  28. F142George

    F142George Karting

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    Very simple, no large scale V12 with that high of compression plus high rev limit will be reliable or even feasible. Much easier for higher rev limit and high compression with smaller engines. Plus, high rev limiter normally also means less torque on the low end. Electric motors mitigate this. Simply better experience. Larger the engine, the heavier the car and higher COG; both are not good if you want a better driving experience. Even better would be to just take an old F1 V12 engine that's already 3L and 700hp and slot it in the LaF chassis.
     

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