LaFerrari replacement: v12, no hybrid, less power than SF90stradale?

Then it will suck. It needs to be a big displacement NA engine.

 

It doesn't need to last that long. Give up reliability for power. If you have the millions required to buy such a car, spending around 50.000 $ once every few years to replace the engine shouldn't be such a big deal, that's pocket change for some of the folks out here.

 

$50,000, more like $5,000,000...

AMG can't even get it to work hard as they try!

this might be useful for review:
https://www.carthrottle.com/post/5-reasons-why-you-cant-put-an-f1-engine-in-a-road-car/

 

True, we are still on tipo 140

 

Looking forward to the near future, hmh, (EV future), it's unlikely to invest in a brand new V12 design.
Anyway, we should admit that Ferrari mastered that V12 type of engine since production of Enzo so it's not a bad thing to have one. It's a masterpiece in its class.

 

Combustion scenarios for power and for emissions are diametrically opposite. Also the Valkyrie V12 fits your criteria. 1000hp V12 6.5l rebuild every 62k miles. Also has difficulty running reliably…

 

What is very curious about that Cosworth V12 is its torque deficit...only 740nm ...the 812SF, in comparison, has 718nm torque...seems the engineering goal was to achieve near 1000hp, but, they forgot about the transmission (whine), oh!

example of "stealing bottom end torque" to make horsepower, chiefly by raising the rev limit, look no further than the 812c:

hp: 818
torque: 691mn (27nm less than the 812SF ! and less than than the 705nm of the F12Tdf !)

all 3 of those engines create maximum torque at 7000rpm (6250rpm for the Tdf)

 

Emissions are irrelevant, Ferrari are not bound by any rules in that regard.

I love the Valkyrie, but I'm not a huge fan of the way it looks.
Also, I'm talking about extracting at least another 500 HP from that V12.
Ferrari should build a similar car to the Valkyrie, but with a central driving position.

 

In my opinion, even the 'halo' car (hypercar) by Ferrari has to be usable, so no Valkyrie way (which is plain boring and impractical), and no engine rebuilding every 'x' miles, I hope

Icona range, the exclusively collectible ones, could accomodate those 'features' : avantgarde looks and eye-watering maintainance costs (only if somebody would be driving them a lot, which I doubt)

I am curious about body design hints, if any, of the next Ferrari hypercar. Any thoughts?

 

It's true, I think it's still the best engine-box relationship in the world for all the versions since the F 12 !

 

idk, personally I’d rather it be a tiny v6 and weighing something extraordinary light like 700kg, extremely unpractical and fun whilst retaining a good power to weight ratio

 

Iconas are just rebodied models. The hypercars are the ultimate models that the firm offers.


Regarding the engine, Ferrari will have to take into account emissions, reliability and drivability. A new N/A V12 (hybridised of course, this much is certain) would be a dream, but who knows what they have in their minds...

 

For road cars, that is completely incorrect. And, further, Ferrari tries their very best to have a single emissions/exhaust used worldwide. That means Ferrari develops its exhaust to the "lowest common denominator". And emissions includes noise levels. Ferrari only has limited relief from CO2 emissions penalties (their allowed levels are higher than mass-production companies before a fine is assessed)

For example:
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See page 3 here:
https://circabc.europa.eu/sd/a/f0ecf09b-aaae-4bf2-bdd9-fc7fbb53591d/C_2016_6338_Ferrari_Maserati_McLaren.PDF

 

I think that is more a function of engine design and goals than actual engineering deficit/difference. The Bore/Stroke ratio of the Valkyrie is around 1.4 which is superbike territory vs 1.25 of the F140 (which is already quite high). The Valkyrie also has an electric motor for torque fill.

 

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ok we've already got three hypothetical code names for laferrari successor. first we heard f255 (its actually the lmh-racecar code) . then we got f250
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Thinking that the next halo with 2WD will be/has to be a lot faster than SF90 already blows my mind...

 

It's going to have to be faster than the SF90 updated version that comes out about 6 months before it.. that would explain the laferrari and Sf90 mule testing together spy shots.

 

Unfortunately, this is not true in either the EU or California, where under both regimes they must switch to electric by 2035.

 

Do we have any dates or confirmation of the 812 replacement ? will it still happen ? as it not on the chart and if it does is it going to still be a V12 ?

Also although it was said the halo wouldn't be based off the LMh the chart shows its tech will be used as well as F1 tech like in past.
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There is an entire thread dedicated to the F167 (812 Successor), reportedly it has been confirmed to be in the "test mule" stage with expected reveal 2023Q4

https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/812-replacement-rumors.644100/

 

I follow it. It doesn't seem to really have anything more on the 815 replacement than we have here on the Halo. I have found sometimes on another thread that someone might know something that has not been shared. The reason I am interested is Because if it has a V12 and a rought day that may answer the engine on the Halo direction.

 

From what I can conclude looking at the Ferrari CM-Day diagram you've posted,
Ferrari next supercar (elsewhere called a 'hypercar') will get (in the best case) a TT V8. Or do I read that diagram incorrectly?

 

The EU Regulations include three options in the small print that act as various levels of exemption depending on a manufacturer’s circumstances. They are:
1. Exemption for those responsible for less than 1,000 cars in the EU per year. These manufacturers don’t have a target unless they opt to have one.
2. Derogation (meaning relaxation) for small volume manufacturers that produce between 1,000 and 10,000 vehicles a year. These manufacturers can propose their own target, which is ultimately approved by the commission based on criteria set out in regulations.
3. Derogation for niche manufacturers who produce between 10,000 and 300,000 vehicles a year. These manufacturers can apply for targets that are 45% lower than others. Manufacturers that produce over 300,000 vehicles a year have weight-based targets, with heavier cars having a higher target.

Ferrari is classed as a small volume manufacturer (SVM), so it can set its own target by negotiating a CO2 average it thinks it is capable of reaching and then providing evidence that it is working towards this.

 

@Johnny_Bravo

You've been here a while but not posted much so I'll give you a little bit of leeway. You circumvented the profanity filter and that is against the ToS. Just type the full curse word and you won't have any issues.

 

That would be the logical conclusion. I read it the same way. However it doesn't really give any insight to the 815 replacement. I feel there maybe hope that the diagram is more general that's why the 815 is missing as it seem to be going ahead. With logic taken into account the Halo is just simply in the top right corner as that is the natural place to put your flagship based on the layout. Time or someone with more insight will tell.