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  1. fastback33

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    #1 fastback33, Apr 22, 2015
    I was talking about the last carb'd V8 ferrari made with a friend. He said that the 246 dino was the last carb'd Ferrari and didn't know which was the last carb'ed V8, but I said the 308 was. It appears he may be correct. Can someone tell me so I can settle this bet?
     
  2. boxerman

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    #2 boxerman, Apr 22, 2015
    Its the 308 and BBi and 400, I think they all went to FI in 82, about 8 years after the 246 dino ceased prod.
     
  3. El Wayne

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    #3 El Wayne, Apr 22, 2015
    Surely, someone with the username "boxerman" knows what the "i" in BBi" stands for. ;)

    Without checking my database, my guess would be that the last carbureted production Ferrari was a 512 BB. The last carbureted V8 would most likely be a 308 GTB or 308 GTS.
     
  4. 134282

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    #4 134282, Apr 22, 2015
    Sorry I'm late, Wayne - I'll keep my reply limited to mere serial numbers (so that the inelegance of full VINs doesn't confuse you or make you uncomfortable ;)).

    The last-known carbureted Ferrari V8 was s/n 34503, a 1980 308 GTB (the last carbureted 308 GTS was 34501).

    The last-known carbureted Ferrari V12 was 38487, a 1981 512 Berlinetta Boxer.
     
  5. Ashman

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    #5 Ashman, Apr 23, 2015
    I don't know when the last carby 512BB was but the V12 400 carbed version shifted to fuel injection and became the 400i in early 1979.

    Odd trivia, the serial number of the last carbed 400 is later than the serial number of the first 400i!
     
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    #6 greyboxer, Apr 23, 2015
    Nearly 19000 posts and you still think that's odd !

    There's similar instances for many of the model change-overs and lots of other anomalies (how many cars have claimed to be 99999 for example)
     
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    #7 nerofer, Apr 23, 2015
    Well...it is not odd, at least by Ferrari standards. On the contrary, it was, at the time, very usual to have the last cars of a model (or a version) produced in the same period of time than the new ones. For instance, from June to September 1989, the first 348s were produced side by side with the last 328s: the first 348s have chassis numbers beginning inthe 81500 range, the last 328s ending at 83136.

    As for the last carburated V8s, should we want to be absolutely sure, we should then check with our italian friends. Without being too pedantic, my understanding is that the carburated V8 of only 2 litres capacity, sold only on the Italian market, may well have been sold here until the summer of 1982, without ever having a "2-valve injected" step from 1980 to 1982, as the 3 liter variant did. It was directly superceeded by the "208 Turbo".

    Rgds
     
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    #8 VIZSLA, Apr 23, 2015
    Was the GT/4 the last Ferrari to be exclusively carbureted?
     
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    #9 El Wayne, Apr 23, 2015
    Yes, it was. Instead of producing the GT4 in an injected version, the factory replaced it entirely with the Mondial.
     
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    #10 134282, Apr 23, 2015
    Yes.
     
  11. GuyIncognito

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    #11 GuyIncognito, Apr 23, 2015
    so was the Mondial the first exclusively fuel injected model?
     
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    #12 134282, Apr 23, 2015
    Um, can you please edit that for posterity and correctness?
     
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    #13 134282, Apr 23, 2015
    No, the Mondial 8s were carbureted.
     
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    #14 VIZSLA, Apr 23, 2015
    They were?
     
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    #15 El Wayne, Apr 23, 2015
    Haha! I think you mean that you would like for me to edit or delete your last two posts for posterity and correctness. :)

    Let's see... Now where are those carbs hiding? Somewhere behind the Bosch K-Jetronic components, perhaps? ;)

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    I can almost hear Carby typing from here - trying desperately to see if possibly there's a pre-production or prototype Mondial 8 in his database with carburetors. :)
     
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    #16 GuyIncognito, Apr 23, 2015
    zing.

    :)
     
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    #17 Rifledriver, Apr 23, 2015
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    Sorry Carb

    You lose.

    You know I'd have your back but you gotta take a bullet on this one.


    Blame it on cold medicine or something.
     
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    #18 134282, Apr 23, 2015
    Oh, ****! My bad! I thought the Mondial 8s had the same engines as the carbureted 308s - I guess they had the two-valve injected 308s engines?

    My bad! I take full responsibility, and I take this opportunity to remind all of you that I'm here to learn! I am forever learning!

    ...but I still ****ed up, and I own up to it. Thank you, Wayne and Brian, for the corrections.
     
  19. BigTex

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    #19 BigTex, Apr 23, 2015
    GT4s thru 1979
    North American 308s thru 1979
    Euro 308s thru 1980, NON CAT also.
     
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    #20 BigTex, Apr 23, 2015
    BBs in Europe (always!) were carbed until the "i" was added, 1981?

    Maybe a few 1982s??
     
  21. fastback33

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    #21 fastback33, Apr 23, 2015
    I was just about to ask a similar question, but you've answered it!
     
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    #22 BigTex, Apr 23, 2015
    Dr. Russ Turner had Norwood, Dallas convert his Mondial back to carbs, cost a fortune, ran great!!

    So "that one" for Carbon, not Factory.....
     
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    #23 BigTex, Apr 23, 2015
    You are welcome.

    The "best carbs" of course were the NON CAT engines (pre 1978 in America, thru 1980 in Europe)..

    I am sad now, and have to go grill ribeyes and drink beer, to recover!
     
  24. fastback33

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    #24 fastback33, Apr 23, 2015
    Enjoy!
     
  25. VIZSLA

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    #25 VIZSLA, Apr 23, 2015
    Any GT/4s have cats?
    AFAIK the late US cars all had air pumps and reactors
     
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