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LEATHER ISSUES

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  1. mjh366

    mjh366 Karting

    Jul 26, 2007
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    Kerrville Texas
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    Mike hoskins
    I have several cars all are in the 20 + year old range, a couple of them are Ferraris. Over the years I have tried many leather products, and on my Testarossa I pulled ALL of the interior out and re-dyed it using Leatherique products from beginning to end and it came out fine. My dilemma is that after all the work how do you expect ANY leather treatment to penetrate that sprayed on Dye i.e.. paint? I just bought an interior cleaning tool called TORNADOR-BLACK I put a small amount of Dawn dish soap in the tool and can clean the leather better than ANYTHING on the market, now lets talk about "putting OILS BACK INTO THE LEATHER". If the leather is colored on the outside how does anything get really back into the leather? I did a 17 year old Bentley Brooklands today, went over the leather seats three times with the Tornador and they look super, all the body oil and dirt are out, color it back to OE . Can someone who knows about these things tell me if it is posable to get oil back into the hides, is it even necessary and how does any product get through the dyes on the leather? I have done two Jags two Ferraris, one Bentley and an Aston with the Tornador and it cleans the leather better than anything out there, but can a conditioner really put anything back into the leather from the outside? I can see how it could be done from the back side, but in most cases that is not possable.
     
  2. Rice-Racer

    Rice-Racer Formula Junior

    Jan 10, 2015
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    Most 'paints' will actually breathe, especially acrylic. A dye is a colouring agent, so won't actually fill and layer/seal the surface applied to.
    As far as the leather repair kits I've seen ( never used one but interested in trying) I guess depends on the chemical nature of it, but again, should 'breathe', so will actually be porous under a microscope, and allow conditioner etc absorb.
    I'll follow your post, as I'm interested in any professional responses.
     
  3. OUMick

    OUMick Formula 3

    Apr 26, 2014
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    I think there is thread in the detailing section that argues both sides of this. After reading it, it sounds like either could be right.
     
  4. PFSEX

    PFSEX Formula Junior

    Jun 30, 2006
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    There are 2 commonly used styles (ways) to finish leather.

    #1 - Leather is dyed and then sealed with a clear, waterproof, sprayed on coating. This method is used by most car companies. Water will bead on this leather. The instruction manual will say to NOT use any products to clean or preserve this leather - instead it will say to wipe it clean with a wet rag. This stuff looks great for about 5 years, then the coating wears away in places, and it starts to look like s--t. This stuff is almost impossible to distinguish from vinyl when new - notice how your 'leather seating surfaces' are indistinguishable from the vinyl surfaces immediately adjacent.

    #2 - Leather is dyed and finished but not coated as above. Sometimes called open finish. Higher end cars including Ferraris tend to use this type of leather. It looks and feels better. It is generally higher grade leather. Water will sink into this leather. It stains and gets dirty much easier. This stuff will last forever - literally -if properly maintained -- cleaned and fed.

    Here is my story: I have an a very nice tan leather couch. I sit on my couch a lot more than I sit in my car. Anyway, for about 5-6 years the leather looked brand new. No issues.

    Then, it started getting old and dirty looking quite rapidly (coating breaking down I now assume) over the period of about 2 years. The leather was picking up color from my levis etc. The manual said to clean ONLY with a damp rag (leading me to conclude this was leather type #1), but this was not solving the problem. So, I basically said time for a new couch. But, I said to myself since I am going to buy a new one, lets experiment.

    First I tried to clean the leather with leather cleaner - little improvement. Then I tried soapy water - got some dirt out but a splotchy result. Still lots of dirt. So, I said what the hell and used a strong ammonia solution and rubbed hard. Low and behold, a bunch of dirt was removed along with a bunch of goo that I assumed was the coating mentioned above. After this cleaning the leather looked brand new and was much more supple than before.

    Since then, I have been using Lexol leather cleaner (and pulling up dirt with each cleaning) and leather conditioner on the couch and 5 years later it looks great.
     
  5. Mitch Alsup

    Mitch Alsup F1 Veteran

    Nov 4, 2003
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    Putting oils back into the leather:: Letherique Rejuvenator oil, slather it on, then let the leather rest in a sealed room over 85 degrees for several days. You don't want air movement n the room, and you don't want the room under 85dF. In a car, this is easy, wait for mid summer, slather the oils on the leather and let it sit out in the sun all day long with the windows up.

    After the oil seeps into the leather there is a Leatherique Cleaning oil that removes the oils, dirt, grim, and salts that rose from the oil penetrating the leather.

    It works GOOD, just follow directions and use lots of heat.
     
  6. mjh366

    mjh366 Karting

    Jul 26, 2007
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    This is what I mean, who realy KNOWES what is going on with our leather. I do know that the Tornador Black pulls all the dirt and oil from our bodies out of our seats there is NO dought about that. Back to my question!! Is it possable to reintroduce ANYTHING back into the leather. Please no hype from Leatherique, Lexol or any one else, is there any solid evidence that that can be done?
     
  7. au-yt

    au-yt F1 Veteran

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  8. VIZSLA

    VIZSLA Four Time F1 World Champ
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    What leather did Ferrari trim the 308s with?
     
  9. mjh366

    mjh366 Karting

    Jul 26, 2007
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    This is exactly the kind of feed back I had hoped for. Ie. some good solid facts about leather care. But still, can we put back oil, ie. moisture back into the leather. I want to say again that the Tornador-Black is showing itself to be the best way to pull old body oil, salt, and dirt out of the leather that I have ever seen, but what then? Keep the info coming, Thanks.
     
  10. Arnie

    Arnie Formula Junior

    Oct 5, 2011
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    New Jersey
    Go to the Color Plus web site they are the experts. I used their dye to redye my whole interior. They used a water based dye so the pores of the leather are still open. They have a lot of good information on dying leather which will help you
     
  11. mjh366

    mjh366 Karting

    Jul 26, 2007
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    Arnie
    Thanks, that is a good sight and sounds like some good products. Their booklet is well done. Some of the same info that you get off of Leatheriques sight. It sounds like the key issue is to get the leather as clean as posable before you do anything, or anything you put on the leather is going to go nowhere. If you don't "open" the surface to except the oil it will not get into the hide. One problem most of us have with older cars is that we have no idea what has been used on our leather in the past. That makes the cleaning step that much more important! I keep a hot plate in my shop to heat the water I use the Toenador with a "TINY" amount of Dawn.
     
  12. Arnie

    Arnie Formula Junior

    Oct 5, 2011
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    New Jersey
    What is great about water based dye if you make a mistake with water based dye you can wipe it off with a wet towel and start over again. THis is especially important when you only have to dye parts of the leather or have to blend or feather the color into the leather.
     

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