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Lebanon - Back in the day

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  1. arabian-eyes

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    I have a feeling you need to review your demographic map about Lebanon:) It's definitely not a muslim country. Lebanon was created as a French colony from pieces of the Ottoman Empire at the end of World War I. In 1946, Lebanon gained full independence from France, and the new nation was held barely intact by the National Pact, an informal agreement that granted political offices to major groups (Christian Maronites, Sunni Muslims, Druze).The country is ruled by christians.
    Okey I'm done arguing :)

    Maria


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  2. pete04222

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    Either way, I got you! (all in fun).
    Seriously, I am under the impression that Lebanon is majority Muslim. (70%)

    Wait a second - this is the Brazilian coming out! I'll not fall for it!!
     
  3. arabian-eyes

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    Dont fall. lol. you might stay stuck hehhehhhe
    Today the percentage of muslims account a higher percentage because they have a high birth rate and they have no natural outlet (while most Christians had extensive contracts with Europe, the United States and Latin America. Whereas christians traditionally dominated the Lebanese government, and the President of Lebanon is always Maronite. We go back to the history of Lebanon 3,500 years ago, back to the dawn of civilisation. Its earliest settlers were the Phoenicians who came from the Arabian Peninsula around 1,200 BC. They established great cities at Beirut, Byblos, Tyre, Sidon, and Baalbek and spread their 22-letter Phoenician alphabet throughout the eastern of the mediterranean sea .
    Lebanese were always differentiated from the Arabs because the phoenicians(christians lebanese) were the finders and the first settlers of the territory of Lebanon and they are from nowhere else.
     
  4. Auraraptor

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    Your history is a little off, but eh close enough. :)
     
  5. arabian-eyes

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    Got a better one? lol


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  6. Auraraptor

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    You got something things right, but Phoenicians weren't Christians.

    In fact, they worshiped (among other 'gods') Ba'al (yes pretty much the same Ba'al of the Old Testament, he was popular around there)

    They definitely did not believe in the Judeo-Christian-Islamic singular God. From the old Testament, the famous figure Jezebel was a Phoenician. When she married into the Jewish Royal family, her bringing of pagan priests was a source of resentment in the population.

    Christianity didn't appear until well over a 1000 years after the Sea Peoples Invasion of the Levant.
     
  7. eurospec

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    Lebanone,what can you say they like to have kids,just like Sydney
     
  8. arabian-eyes

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    The phoenicians=canaanites became christians at the Roman times before the arabs(muslims)took over...

    The Canaanites who lived in what is now present day Lebanon were later called the Phoenicians by the Greeks c. 10th century B.C. The Phoenicians are well known as having been great benefactors to mankind.

    From the dawn of recorded history Lebanon has swung between independence and occupation. Long periods of independence were interrupted by Assyrian rule, then Babylonian and Persian rule, then by Alexander and by 64 BC Lebanon had become part of the Roman Empire. Throughout these years, the original native inhabitants of Lebanon were not displaced nor were they diluted, their Levantine, Canaanite origin remained intact.

    It was in Roman times that a carpenter's son who was born in a stable was to forever change world. News of the teachings of this Jesus of Nazareth was to reach Lebanon early in his ministry and it prompted people from Lebanon to go and visit him (Mk. 3:8, Lk. 6:17), and he was also to journey to Lebanon where he healed the daughter of a Phoenician woman (Matt.15:21-8, Mk. 7:24-31) and attended a wedding. After the death of Christ, upon the martyrdom of Stephen, some of the disciples that were scattered abroad to preach went north to Phoenicia (Acts 11:19), through their works and the work of Paul, Lebanon converted. The pagan Canaanites, the early Lebanese, became Christian. Christianity flourished in Lebanon and by the close of the second century Tyre had become the seat of a Christian Bishop as has Sidon, whose Bishop attended the council of Nicea in 325 in which the Nicene Creed was formulated, furthermore in the year 335 a church council was held in Tyre. At about the same time, Frumentius, a Tyrian missionary introduced Christianity to Ethiopia. From early in the 5th Century and throughout the 6th, through the works of the disciples of St. Maron the people of Lebanon, the Phoenicians, both pagan and Christian, joined the Maronite Church.

    For many years the Maronite Lebanese worked the land, terraced the mountains built their villages and expanded their cities. Soon a human tidal wave was not only to change the demographics of Lebanon but was also to change the history of the civilized world.
     
  9. arabian-eyes

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    Not really , if you look in www.wikipedia.org.. You will find that at present the Lebanese Constitution officially claims the muslim Shi'a has, being traditionally the poorest community, exlains why it has had a high birth rate.As opposed to christianity,they have had no natural emigration outlet (while most Christians had extensive contacts with Europe, the United States and Latin America; and the Sunnis could easily relocate to any neighbouring Arab country, since they constitute a majority in most of arab countries.

    Maria
     
  10. redhead

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    What he sai.....

    oh wait.

    Too late.

    New Topic:
    Too bad St. Patty's day has become the day of the amateurs.
     
  11. cava

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    Fascinating reading.
    Without hijacking the original subject, could you please explain to me more about the maronites and why the Lebanese president is always a maronite.

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  12. Auraraptor

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    In the bare simplest terms, yes, they were a Semitic people who localized to Canaan.
    Pretty much...except a few things. Yes Arabs took over, but they also 'mixed' with the population and there were enough converts that over time the Muslim population in Lebanon represented(and represent) a distinct Lebanese flare. I used quotes for mixed because both Arabs and native Phoenicians were and still are Semitic people.
    Yup, it is from the Greeks we get the modern name, and the color purple if I remember correctly.
    No arguments there, but do realize most of their accomplishments occurred before Christianity/monotheism came to them...something not so about your Jewish neighbors to the South...
    You forgot Egypt, and 'long' is a very ambiguous term. :) Yes they did manage a (relative to other regional groups) longer period of self-sovereignty. Still in terms of Civilization they don't hold a candle to Assyria or Babylon, let alone their classical rivals Israel, Greece, or Egypt.
    Not quite. For one they spread out all over the Mediterranean.

    I don't remember if the Assyrians forced them to relocate, I will have to check my books on Assyrian texts for that one.

    Pretty sure they were one of the central regions faced by the onslaught and subsequent assimilation of the Sea Peoples. (Another was their southern neighbor Philistine)


    Thats a good summary of Early Church history. You fail to mention they merged with Catholic Church, while the Ethiopians split/kept traditional ways.
    Not just Maronite, all native Lebanese...ethnically you guys are pretty close.

    BTW I say this entirely as an outsider with no leanings. I am Kashmiri. :)
     
  13. Auraraptor

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    Thank the French, when they withdrew, they left the Christian Maronites with Government control.
     
  14. arabian-eyes

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    Modern Lebanon's constitution, was drawn up in 1926.It specified a balance of political power among the "major" religious groups.

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    The flag of Lebanon was adopted on December 7, 1943. It was first drawn in Deputy Saeb Salam's house in Mousaitbeh by the deputies of the Lebanese parliament.

    The flag is formed of two horizontal red stripes enveloping a horizontal white stripe. The white stripe is to be two times a red one (ratio 1:2:1). The green cedar in the middle touches both red stripes and its width is one third of the width of the flag. (The description of the flag is cited in the Lebanese Constitution, Chapter 1, Article 5.)
    It is a common mistake to draw the branches of the cedar in brown or black. Nevertheless the mistake is unconstitutional. The cedar must be full green.
    The red stripes symbolize the pure blood shed in the aim of liberation. The white stripe symbolizes peace, and the white snow covering Lebanon's mountains. The green cedar (Arz) (Species: Cedrus libani or Lebanon Cedar) symbolizes immortality and steadiness. This cedar is referenced many times in the Bible: "The righteous flourish like the palm tree, and grow like a cedar in Lebanon" (Psalms 92:12).
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  16. gougoul

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    One of the major reasons for having so many muslims nowadays in Lenbanon is also due to the palestine. Nobody wanted them so they simply went to lebanon and they couldn't refuse them, being overrun by numbers.
     
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    and yes, indeed, the constitution was drawn to take care of all different religious groups present. Thing is most people forget that during the ottomans, politics was much a village-lords issue, and in a way probably still is.
     
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    Arabian-eyes,
    Very interesting stuff. I'm glad I made it up just to mess with you.
    I love history and I like people who take pride in their roots.

    I will notice, however, that you took exception to my stereotyping of Lebanese women as virginal muslims who make good wives but you didn't seem to have any problem with my stereotyping of Brazilian women as argumentative sluts?

    You chose to argue with me about the Lebanese women. Is this our first date?

    LOL. Very interesting reading.
     
  19. Auraraptor

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    Lebanese politics was under decided French direction until their withdrawal. You cannot deny that during their occupation, Maronites enjoyed a special role when it came to politics.
     
  20. arabian-eyes

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    That's a nice smart remark:) I didn't argue about stereotyping of Brazilian women cuz it's true:)
    Can't u see I argue too much?I guess we can't help it, it's in our veins to be argumentative "sluts" for our man.

    Maria
     
  21. Stephanie

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    What the fuuck was that? A history lesson? Thanks.
     
  22. pete04222

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    :) :) :)
     
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    It is actually pretty interesting. You could just read all of this on wikipedia though. She basically copied and pasted it from the site.
     
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    That was a nice rundown but I think that it might be slightly off in some places? The government is split and it's specified that the president is always Maronite while the muslims are given other parts of the gov't. Before you argue back at me, I should probably disclose that I am Lebanese (by descent and passport) and have a great deal of family in Lebanon (even Emile Lahoud is related to me by marriage). My grandmother is from Enfee (by the sea) and I grew up with her telling me stories about the old days of Lebanon. I do have several cousins that moved back to Lebanon and they love it. They say that it's still a very cosmopolitan city that I would really like. One of these days I'll probably take them up on it.
     
  25. Stephanie

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    Haha.. I figured. She can't construct a sentence on her own so, I assumed it came from another source. Not only that but if her grammar is as awful as it seems I doubt she'd be a wealth of information regardless of the subject. :)
     

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