lebron legacy

You're missing the point.

I never did say Lebron isn't great. I said he isn't better than Jordan, or second to Jordan, nor even close to second to Jordan.

Since you have twisted the facts (or fail to comprehend what I have been saying as well as others here saying almost the same thing I am saying), there's no point in debating this issue with you.

 

Hi...I don't think Mike is arguing against LeBron being great (are you?). There are lots of great players in sport, there is only one greatest. LeBron is great IMO. He's got the stats. He's got two championships. Is he the greatest? No, again IMO. I think he's top five. I think he can surpass everyone except Jordan, unless he goes on some phenomenal Bill Russell-like championship run to end his career...T

 

Aha, that's a horse of a different color. I'm not knowledgeable enough about new school hoops to comment, but my vague recollection was that LeBron joined Wade in South Beach, and even at a salary discount versus what he could have gotten in Cleveland. So, in the sense Wade was there first, you could consider it his team. Likewise, Wade won a championship with Miami before LeBron showed up. So, while second fiddle seems a bit of an overstatement, one could argue that there is some truth to it. It's not always the case that the most talented player is the team leader. Sometime it's a seasoned vet who has greater playoff chops or a longer tenure with team...T

 

Starting on the all time all star team makes you second best to Michael Jordan? Where and when did "most" NBA authorities state this? So everyone else on this team is also second best to Michael Jordan? Please send me a link to this, I would love to read it. And while you are at it, please post my quote where I stated that Lebron is not great.

You state " point A", I rebuke "point A", then you counter with a "point B" response while putting words in my mouth.

Make up your mind what you want to debate. Stick to facts. It will become to clear to this way.

 

LMAO!! Good grief. So now that you know the nba experts do not rank him second all time, you don't want to reference them, but when they rank him on the all-time all-star team, that's the first thing out of your mouth? That's what they call "selective journalism".

And, in case you missed my questions earlier, here they are again, please answer this:

 

I'd like to know too! I posted mine above. 95spider-man, have you posted yours?
T

 

Duncan/Olaijuwon over Bird at power forward. Interesting. I guess MJ & LBJ are your three point shooters?
T

 

I love your semantics. That is a sign of denial and defeat.

Thank you for proving my point.

 

Aha. Gotcha. Thanks...T

 

I have Bird over Lebron simply because of mental toughness and a killer instinct. You couldnt leave the guy open anywhere on the court. Similar to Curry, but a notch up. Curry is by far the better 3 shooter.

Lebron has only 1 convincing championship run with one of the most stacked teams in NBA history. I probably couldve won a championship playing with that Heat team. Hard to put him 2nd all time with that resume.

 

Hi Ken... So, who's in your all-time top 5?...T

 

When I decide a top 5 All-time. I look at Playoff dominance and performance. How good are you when the stakes are high? How good are you when you've played the same team 5-6 times and they already know what you're gonna do? Regular season stats are padded/practice stats to me. The playoffs is where men are separated from the boys.

1. Avg. Points Per Game
2. Effective Field Goal Percentage.
3. Leadership
4. How close competition came to eliminating you. How much of a mental edge you have over peers.
5. Offensive repertoire. Clutchness.
6. Defense/hustle intensity

1. Michael Jordan
2. Larry Bird
3. Hakeem Olajuwon
4. Shaquille O neal
5. Tim Duncan

 

No Jabbar, interesting. But, then with Hakeem, Shaquille and Tim, you got enough length and bulk for the tough inside work.
T

 

As to Jabbar, it only takes one unblockable shot.

Agree, on Ewing, he was mobile for a big man, especially in his early days in the league. Shaq too. Of course, IMO neither of them were as silky as Olaijuwon. I remember hearing a story that Hakeem attributed this to his playing so much soccer as a youngster in Nigeria. If true, I think a lot of youngsters might do well to practice soccer to help their NBA dreams…T