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355 Lever stuck in 3rd gear. Found the issue. *pictures*

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  1. Shurik355

    Shurik355 Formula Junior

    May 19, 2013
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    #1 Shurik355, Jul 25, 2021
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    I just recently replaced my crank shaft sensor (fixed the issue). Was testing the car driving it, and suddenly my lever got stuck in 3rd gear. Couldn't get out of 3rd. So drove home in 3rd gear.

    Found out that my "bar buffer" (163525) went bad. These buffers serve as links from the lever shaft before it goes to the tranny. There are two bar buffers and one of them fell apart. Took them out and planning to replace them with new ones. Hopefully nothing else is going to be wrong.

    Im also guessing the shifter buzzing noise on high RPM was a part of it, I read the thread about it when searching.

    Also guys has anyone replaced a seal #5 under a little rubber boot that covers the shaft that goes to the gear box?
    It's started to leak oil under the rubber boot and I need to fix it.

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  2. kenneyd

    kenneyd Formula 3

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    Wow, didn't know those could fail. Should be an easy fix, adjusting the shifter can be a little tricky the first time.
    I replace that seal on my car when I first got it, this was quite a few years ago, but I don't remember it being difficult at all. Carefully remove the old one, gently tap in the new one
     
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  3. Pepsi10

    Pepsi10 Formula Junior

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    Thanks for posting. I have not replaced the seal you are asking about.
    I am interested in whether your work does reduce that high RPM buzzing from the shift knob, it’s bothered me since day one, but not enough to do anything about it. Once you figured that the bar buffer was your problem, can I ask, how long did it take you to get them out of the car?
     
  4. kenneyd

    kenneyd Formula 3

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    It takes less than 10 minutes to get that bar out of the car if the panels are removed already.

    There are several causes for the shifter buzz rattle. I think the most common is either a slightly misaligned shifter, and/or a worn bushing in the actual shifter housing that allows the shift rod to rattle against the gate.

    They're also is a rattle that sometimes occurs when the shift rod slightly taps the hole in the frame.

    I have a YouTube video on my channel of how to rebuild the shifter housing. It's not too hard
     
  5. Pepsi10

    Pepsi10 Formula Junior

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    Thank you Ken, watching now.
     
  6. Targatime

    Targatime Formula 3

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    Interesting to see the construction of that part -- didn't realize the studs don't pass all the way through the rubber. Were the nuts holding the sandwich together loose? Looks perhaps as if it wouldn't matter if the studs come loose from the rubber block if the sandwich was tight?
     
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  7. zstyle

    zstyle Formula Junior

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    Shifter rattle inside the car is also due to the shifter bushing 127446. You'll need to remove the entire shifter/gate assembly to replace the $20 plastic shifter bushing.
     
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  8. 0.0.1.99

    0.0.1.99 Formula Junior

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    The shift shaft seal (146306) inside the rubber boot is easy to replace on a manual transmission 355 but more complex on a F1 as the actuator has to be disconnected and can require a SD computer to realign afterward. For some folks, the first sign that the seal needs replacement is when the motor/transmission mounts being to sag and the rubber boot rubs against that crossmember which creates a hole allowing the fluid to drip out. This might be helpful: https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/anyone-have-this-transmission-leak.265985/
     
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  9. Pepsi10

    Pepsi10 Formula Junior

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    Thank you for the idea. Much appreciated.
     
  10. Shurik355

    Shurik355 Formula Junior

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    Thank you for the responses guys. Much appreciate it!
     
  11. Shurik355

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    The nuts holding the sandwich were not loose. The actual stud plate came apart from the rubber block. Seems like a poor design, and just glued together? The are two of those BAR BUFFERs (Rubber blocks with studs) and one failed. If two would have failed like that then I wouldn't be able to shift at all.
     
  12. michaelz

    michaelz Karting

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    I had the exact same problem, limped home in 3rd and impressed it had the torque to roll around only in 3rd.

    Not surprising since rubber gets old it inevitably will start to dry rot and disintegrate. A poorly designed part really, should have just been a bush sandwiched between 2 bolts instead of studs cast into rubber.
     
  13. MAD828

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  14. spaghetti_jet

    spaghetti_jet Formula Junior

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    Luckily you were in third when it broke. It would have been interesting driving all the way home in reverse :)
     
  15. Shurik355

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    Do you remember how you replaced those? What's the proper procedure to do it?
     
  16. Shurik355

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    Do any of you guys know the position of the transmission shaft to every gear from the shifter there? Because I might have moved the link to the transmission when taking the links out.
     
  17. michaelz

    michaelz Karting

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    Done in situ and just remove those parts by themselves, didn't mess with the linkages.
     
  18. MAD828

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    It’s pretty easy to get it into neutral by feel. It self centers once in neutral you need to turn it left or right and forward or back to get a gear. Having not much experience I was worried id not get it right, but once under the car it’s pretty easy to determine whether it’s in neutral or not.
     
  19. Shurik355

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    Elliot I was trying to figure out what gear I was in and I can't figure out, probably spent over an hour under the car trying to figure it out. I can't figure out where is neutral. I can move it to the left and right pretty easy but in and out it's pretty hard.
    So Im at the point where I need to know where what gear is at so I can connect the shifter link.
     
  20. Shurik355

    Shurik355 Formula Junior

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    Could anyone send me videos of where each gear should be at??? :confused:
     
  21. MAD828

    MAD828 F1 Rookie

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    The in and out being hard (forward and back) is you selecting a gear. In between that is neutral.
     
  22. Culprit

    Culprit Formula Junior
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    The same issue happened to me last week. Replaced those buffers 2 years ago... Both times the buffers failed at high engine load. Engine mounts look good so I'll have the gearbox mounts done this time.
     
  23. Shurik355

    Shurik355 Formula Junior

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    Did you fix the issue? Your car was stuck in the 3rd gear I assume?
    Also I checked the oil level and it's good. Going to do more adjustments tomorrow.
    I will check the condition of my mounts as well.
     
  24. Culprit

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    I was attempting a 4th-5th shift when it happened. Technically the buffers can sheer off in any gear of course. In my case it keeps happening under high RPM situations, when the drive train is twisting and presumably torquing the shifter linkage. Bit of speculation there, but since my engine mounts are good I can't think of what else would cause this? I dropped the car off at a local shop to do the tranny mounts, should have it back next week.
     
  25. Shurik355

    Shurik355 Formula Junior

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    Well with my issue it seems like it needs some internal tranny work. Some people are suspecting it to be Shifter Fork problem.
    Looks like I might gonna have to take her to a shop and drop the engine, and also do my major, cause it's been 4.5 years already.
     

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