Lewis Hamilton

I think MS could recognize talent as well as anyone at the time. The interview was in 2007, not 2017 (obviously). At that time Massa was very much a top driver.

 

Class?

Oh yeah, I forgot. Seb is the quintessential embodiment of class, as was Kimi . . .

 

He may have had bad luck, but he has more class in his little finger than that dumbass Elton, the fake gangsta that believes his own hype, thinks if he can wear a skirt, he is a fashion guru, and that he will have a music career after F1 despite his singing sounding like a cacophony of ***** cats singing for their supper

As for Kimi, he is the most revered of temperaments on the grid, universally loved by fans for his no nonsense attitude, bottled up emotion and instant realism..... the definition of a classy attitude in a driver.

Elton, on the other hand, is happy to throw the team, or even individual team members, under the bus at the drop of a hat to avoid criticism of his own performance, even publishing confidential information on twitter to prove his point sometimes, and lying to the stewards when it suits him. Would you call that classy? I wouldn’t, far from it

 

Rosberg put the beat down on Schumi 3 years in a row ;-)

 

Massa was WDC.

For about 20 seconds....

 

Aww, touched a nerve have I? See, I know why that happened, so it really doesn’t count. What does count is that Rosberg beat Elton.... that was funny, especially when he started crying on the radio about ‘if I can’t be champion neither can Mercedes, I don’t care’ like a big blobbing girly man..... now THAT is worth laughing about

Every time Elton got beat by him, he cried to toto and niki, threatened to leave, threw his toys around the trailer, what a child

 

3

 

Inches? That’s sweet

 

I am laughing at this! Rosberg beat Schumacher when he was 43 years old, way past his prime.

 

He was 40 when he returned, Brabham won races at 43, Mansell won at 41, Graham Hill won at 40, Fangio won a championship at 46. So yeah for Schumi possesing all the talents that many say he has, he should have beat Rosberg at "least" 2 years, instead he got the beat down, no excuses, but hey its all good.

 

Brabham, Hill, Fangio...
Do you actually see what nonsense you post??? Do you think F1 in 2010 is still the same it was in 1950/60???
Seriously, that is just hilarious. I would say you poster boy takes a few years off and then comes back at 40 to race under new regulations and new blood, then we might talk again, until then this was about the most ridiculous post I read here in a long time, seriously...
I understand that you desperately try to talk down Michael to elevate your buddy but at least stay a little bit reasonable. I start to hope that you are actually trolling and do not really believe what you are writing...

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Chill out, its all good, i like Schumi, but he got beat. Even some greats get beat, Hamilton has got beat, its all good.

By the way the older racing was more difficult and dangerous, so yeah 2010 was different/better.

 

Schumacher took 4 years off from racing anything. Mansell came back from CART. By the way MS was 41 when he came back. I raced the same event as Schumacher in Las Vegas Supernats the year before in November 2009, got to speak with him briefly and he was 40 at the time because I asked him. I am saying this because your knowledge of F1 prior to Hamilton is scarce and seems you are total newbie. I suggest you stop looking at the internet to find out F1 driver stats and listen to some members on this forum who have been watching F1 since the 60 and 70's. I am no expert and am pretty new myself(21 years) compared to others. Instead coming on this forum and taunting us about how great Hamilton is maybe you should try to have sensible discussion.

 

I'm not a newbie, but even if i was, it don't matter if i been watching 50 yrs or 2yrs, i won't make an excuse for him getting beat. It is what it is. I still think he is a great. Some older members on this forum are much, much harsher on Schumi than i am given the controversial events.

 

Schumacher was the greatest I've witnessed racing. When he was in his prime...dear god. None are fit to lick his boots! He had to have a seriously bad day and others a seriously good one to have a hope in beating him. He had the luxury of an all beating car for two seasons, very true...but he earned everything with stiff competition.

I can recall so many moments when Schumacher was just Godlike on track...Hamilton, whilst he is a very good driver...I genuinely can't recall not many drives when you think ''wow, Hamilton was truly the only one that could've driven that today'', somewhere where he was truly untouchable. Save for Silverstone 2008, where he put in a superb performance that was hand to hard a fantastic drive.

 

I respect your post, and I respect that you admit Hamilton is a very good driver, unlike some. The thing I remember about Schumacher most was he could rip off a string of fast laps when he needed to. Yeah he is one of the best. But I will say every Great is different, they make their mark differently. Hamilton is known for the most epic qualifying laps. I remember some qualifying laps that Ham was untouchable, that only he could pull it off. Best qualifier ever in F1 according to some. Also he will be remembered for his rookie year, beating a two time champion. So yeah there will be things Schumi is remembered by as will Ham, theres no one way to be a great. Every great does it differently

 

Isnt it funny how people believe all sorts? Let’s get things straight, once and for all.

There is NO comparison between Michael and Elton... Elton is not fit to lick his boots.

Continually spouting all the wierd and wonderful reasons his fanboys have made up to elevate elton to god status doesn’t make them correct. Winning in the Mercedes is a bloody expectation, when Elton doesn’t win, that is far more damning of him than it is validation when he does.

How could the Mercedes not win, what’s wrong with the driver, what’s the problem, the ****ing thing is half to one second faster at just about EVERY track for five years, of course it ****ing wins everything...... it ain’t rocket science that if the car wins, the drivers sat in the ****ing thing are most likely to be one and two in the title race.

If you happen to be employed to be their leading drIver, paid more than your opposite number due to the fact you have won a championship before, then the team is unsurprisingly going to back your race over your teammate, give you the call when if is necessary, henceforth, it’s no surprise it’s Elton, what the **** has bottles won that would give the team cause to bias in his favour? Nothing, that’s what.

The Mercedes is the class car of the field, since 2014 it has been untouchable except in extreme circumstances. Any driver given number one status and driving that car would have done what Elton has done, some would have done even more. In the McLaren of 2009 thru 2013, he won a handful of races and got beaten by the likes of button, and of course, absolutely annihilated by Seb Vettel, just like everyone else did. He wasn’t anything special without the car he has now, he is a fast driver (and by the way, you mention above ‘I respect your post, calling him a good driver etc’, no one here has said he isn’t fast or good, but we won’t pretend he’s a ****ing god either), but he needs the car. Schumi had a dog **** car and was able to win, he made the difference, add not just tenths, maybe a second or so on occasions, in talent.

Schumi in his prime would have beaten Elton twice before breakfast, and twice after, without breaking a sweat. You won’t change anyone’s mind, not around here at least, except for the out and out super fanboys like yourself, who believe anything Wikipedia tells them, even if it’s clearly not true. All the ******** interviews specially picked out to try to demonstrate Elton’s reverence, all the statistics skewed by over a hundred races in the most dominant car in history, with number one status over his teammate, all the social media ‘proof’ some subclass of people idolise him......... it’s all crap mate, all ********, and the day Mercedes car dominance is removed, that’s the day he becomes only one of six or seven drivers ALL equally capable of winning races, as he is absolutely, categorically, NOT, the best ever

Forza Ferrari, #keepfightingMichael



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Of course there is...

Fangio, Clark, Senna, Schumacher, Hamilton (in no particular order) - that is the correct top 5...where exactly people rank Lewis within that elite group is just a matter of preference and not much bother to me

 

He won't. He's not Schumacher. He won't be part of building a team around him like that. And the Scuderia... They need more than a driver to turn things around.

I have no doubt that Hamilton is a very good driver. I seriously doubt he could do what Schumacher started doing in 1996 though. Seriously, how many drivers before or after could? And in the current formula...

 

What a complete nonsense...this discussion is just another proof that you only want to kill time without having a reasonable discussion. Just blabla to get attention.

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Times have changed. The influence of a driver has decreased; this is an engineers formula. No point comparing different eras.
Now, nobody can spend days after days of testing on a private track to hone a car like Ferrari could do in Schumacher's era.
Testing has been replaced by simulators, but that isn't a miracle substitute, far from it.
Drivers have more or less to adapt to what car the engineers have build for them, in a very short time.

As for Hamilton, he has already a successful team around him, possibly the best in the field.
Why, at his age, and after 5 WDCs, and the possibility of more, would he gamble it all, to start all over again in a team that hasn't win a title for years?
Just to confond the critics on Fchat ? To save Ferrari from embarasment ? I don't think so.

 

No thanks. I choose to believe Schumi, Alonso, Rosberg , Brawn, Berger and other's assessment on Hamilton 's greatness

Also I never said he was the best ever, he is definitely top 3 when it's all over, and yes I put Shumi in that group

 

No, he should go out of F1, come back to Ferrari at the age of 40 and show his fanboys how great he is [emoji6]
According to your buddy that is the easiest thing to do, when Fangio and Brabham could win at the age of 40-something someone of the calibre of Lewis should do that easily [emoji57]

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Edit: it's too many greats top 5, Hamilton and Shumi share that space

 

You see that's why I just go by real world events, because truth be told, we don't know what would happen if Shumi faced Rosberg in his prime, its not guaranteed that he will win. It's all speculation, and a million different opinions. No matter how many scenarios thrown at it , it's still speculation. But we do have real world life events, that's is the most accurate to use, and the tool I use when judging performance, therefore I say Rosberg beat Schumi 3 years straight