Lewis wont face penalties

like i said, personally, i didn't think he did anything wrong. but the rules says something else tho.

 

He causes a collision that ends the race of 1 driver, get no penalties, but Kubica is racing Hammy for position spins and touches Hammy. What does Kubica recieve? A penalty. I've never seen such driver favoritism in my life. If that was Schumacher he would have been stripped of all points.

 

2 drivers - however i suggest you watch the accident again (and again) he didnt cause it.

 

well, there is some precedent.

I believe it was Monaco 2004, when Schumacher pretty much brake tested Montoya in the tunnel, while behind the safety car. It resulted in Schumacher crashing out. How did the FIA react to that?

 

Exactly. If you don't have room to brake to avoid the car in front during a SC, you are too close. The SC is out because of dangerous conditions, so the drivers need to have a heightened sense of awareness for safety issues and should be ready to stop without much notice.
Just as if you were driving in a construction zone on the highway.

Peter

 

What were the immediate conditions? Was Schumacher actually physically involved in the collision? Hamilton simply pulled off the line of the SC and braked when he was very close - nothing more.

Peter

 

good point. i just watched the video again anyways. actually, i think he did cause a crash. he went waaaaayyy off the racing line, like Vettel said, as if he's gonne retire. just noticed that.

 

Of course he did. Wether or not he is to blame is a different matter, but the sequence that led to the retirement of Webber and Vettel is clearly starting with Hamilton brake testing the entire field.

 

i still think that was purely Montoya's fault.

 

Yes, the crash resulting in Schumachers first retirement of 2004.

 

no he did not.
he took a different line through the corner to the safety car, and if you watch the video you can see a lot of the other drivers take a wide line too

 

I honestly can´t remember, but I can imagine that the pacesetter also has to take into account that he is leading a field of cars that are following close behind and that he hasn´t got a brake light.

 

and he braked heavily, so that Webber unvolluntarily would have gone past Hamilton, if he hadn´t braked as well. It was Hamilton who caused the danger that lead to two cars crashing out.

 

Good to see that common sense has prevailed. Vettel has got away with just a reprimand aswell.

 

he braked to avoid going past the SC.
you do know he isnt allowed to pass it yeah ?

if hamilton can brake to avoid the SC, then why cant the following cars brake to avoid the car in front of them ?

 

common sense indeed.

 

shoot....now we're back to hoping for a mechanical failure or other problem in both reaminaing races

 

While I would love to see Hamilton loose his 10 points from last week or face a 10 position grid penality in China as it would give Alonso a better chance of winning the 2007 WDC, Hamilton did absolutely nothing wrong...he was leading the pack behind the safety car in wet conditions and it was necessary for him to attempt to keep his brakes warm...plus, the drivers behind him had the higher obligation to pay attention to the car in front and not to follow too closely in order to allow for sufficient reaction and braking time...especially in the wet and poor visibility conditions. Even on a public road the one behind is almost always considered to be at fault...The great two time World Champ Alonso sure has his work cut out for him to win the 2007 WDC now...

 

Hamilton is aware of the speed of the SC. The SC doesn´t change it´s speed. If Hamilton needed to take avoiding action not to overtake the SC, he wasn´t paying attention to begin with. Sure, Hamilton is the pacesetter, but the pacesetter also needs to realize he is heading a field of cars following him closely. So, carefulness is needed even when you are the pacesetter. Hamilton screwed up big time and it lead to the retirement of Webber and Vettel.

And besides, Webber sums it up pretty nicely and he had a nice view of it all.

 

It is never a good idea to apply the rules of normal traffic on racingcars in competition. Those are completely different playingfields.

 

from Autosport.com:

So apparently it is ruled that Lewis´behaviour does justify a penalty but because of the extreme circumstances he gets off the hook. Fine with me, but it goes to show that Hamilton DID cause the incident.

 

Hamilton didn't just start driving with the jerky start/stop behavior in that corner, he had been doing it for a few laps. (that's Webbers clue to be careful)

When you are in the lead, you get to set the pace. When you follow someone, its your responsability to keep a safe distance.

I think Webber was too much on his ass and Hamilton did what we all do everyday... you brake hard a few times and let the other guy know that you don't think he is following at a safe distance.


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The SC doesnt change its speed huh
so it goes round the whole track at the speed it needs to take the slowest corner at ?
funny how theyre supposed to "keep up a good pace" to help tyres temps etc (remember the cause of sennas accident ?)

funny how MW had a good view (despite all the spray) and SV obviously didnt.

 

Really?

Well the same thing happened a couple years back at Monaco. Schumacher was in Hamilton's position and Montoya was in Vettels position. Schumacher was stripped of all points, right?


RIGHT?