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  1. rickjaffe

    rickjaffe Formula Junior

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    went to drive the car tonight and I've got no lights. To be precise; the headlamps open, but no brights, regular lights, or even the amber lights. turn signals working; and also the interior gage lights are out as well.

    the right fuse box which controls the lights appears to be ok, no burning smell or melted anything. fuses are intact.thought it might be the switch in the control stick, until I determiined that the gage lights are out too.
    my mechanic had been fixing the a/c but the fuses are on the other fuse box, and everything looks normal there as well. any ideas?
     
  2. rickjaffe

    rickjaffe Formula Junior

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    let me try another question:

    where is the relay box on a 75 308 GT4 (north american version). An owners manual I downloaded seems to suggest that there is a relay box and it's under the glove box. I see the two fuse panels in the glove compartment, but not any relay box under the compartment. only the heater box.
    I do see a bunch of wires under the glove compartment, but there's no box and while there's something that may look like a relay, I don't see a bunch them and no box.

    The reason I'm looking for it is that I'm thinking that since I have no parking or headlights it might be a relay, since there are different fuses for the three lights (parking, high and low beam) and they all look pretty good.

    still looking for some advice. what about something from the 308 gt4 comprades out there. thanks.
     
  3. Dom

    Dom F1 Veteran
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    Under the gove comparment, in the front firewall. It is covered by a piece of carpet which snaps into place. I don't have a photo, but if you can't find it I can take a photo tonight.

    Dom
     
  4. 208 GT4

    208 GT4 Formula 3

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    It sounds to me more like fuses, fuse holder or wiring. Just because they look ok doesn't mean they are OK. The fuses can get hairline cracks without any sign of overheating or burning. Also, the fuse boxes are notorious.

    I had a headlight relay go, and the lights still worked, just not the way they were supposed to.
     
  5. rickjaffe

    rickjaffe Formula Junior

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    but don't you think it unlikely that three fuses would blow at the same time? I would think I'm looking something which controls or goes through all three. also have the gage lights out and that's on a fuse which has a component which still works. that's why I'm thinking wiring or relay. I think the book says that relay "D" covers all or most of my affected lights. just didn't know where it was.
     
  6. gerritv

    gerritv Formula 3

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    Hi Rick
    You should download the 1975 owners manual from owners.ferrari.com. Yours being a Series 1 car, the relays are behind a panel in the passenger footwell. The 1976 manual will show Series 2, which has the relays just below the re-configured glove box. (My car is a mix of 1 and 2, came off the line on Jan 20, 1976. A real joy to decipher what is from which series :))

    Besides using an ohm meter on the fuses (measure across the contacts that hold the fuse to be sure), there are many ground points that rust. There is one in front compartment near the battery (omewhat hidden under a wire harness on the car side of the battery) and one right below the relay panel. Bad grounds do wonderfully bizarre things to the behaviour of lights, etc. on the cars.

    The other thing to check is to see if the power is actually getting to the fuse block contacts that need it. There are bridging strips on the back of the blocks that fail due to poor rivet contact. there are multiple threads here that illustrate how to make replacement fuse blocks. Use a voltmeter to check on the wire harness connector itself, don't just check the fuse contact.

    And on my site there is a pdf of the wiring diagram. Get it printed on C or D size paper at Kinkos or similar place, tack it to the wall of your garage and then follow the wires to see which ones could cause your symptom. E.g. it is common for one connection to daisy chain to several relays ending up turning on one of them that then feeds others.

    My suspicion is the fuse block rivets. A voltmeter at appropriate points will validate that.

    Gerrit
    http://dino308gt4.com
     
  7. rickjaffe

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    #7 rickjaffe, Jun 21, 2005
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    thanks for the detailed response; I thought I did download the 75 manual,but apparently not. is it behind the foot compartment behind the half removed carpet? looks like alot of screws to take out.
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  8. Dom

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    #8 Dom, Jun 21, 2005
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  9. rickjaffe

    rickjaffe Formula Junior

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    great pedal set;

    looks like I'm looking for "D" per the manual.

    I guess I run a multi meter over it (assuming it looks ok) and see what happens. thanks
     
  10. Birdman

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    Rick,
    Put a volt meter on the bottom of each fuse and check for voltage. The fuseblocks on these things melt and nothing works right. In any 308 electrical issue, the most likely culprit is always the fuseblock.

    Birdman
     
  11. Doug

    Doug Formula 3

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    The fuse blocks may look great from the front, but believe me, when removed the backs will have cracks and melted contacts. Birdmans replacements solved some window and wiper gremlins and I no longer worry what electrical part will go out next.
     
  12. rickjaffe

    rickjaffe Formula Junior

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    for the congentially and termninally ignorant, is the car off or on or on accessory while I'm doing the test?
     
  13. rickjaffe

    rickjaffe Formula Junior

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    GOT IT!

    was reading the service manual and it mentioned something about a swtich under the steering wheel. well I didn't see any switch, but there was a rubber connector with some wires that comes out beneath the ignitition switch; the one or both of them were disconnected. probably happened when they were working on the a/c. plugged them in and voila; the lights are back on;
    thanks to all for the advice; learned alittle more about the car.
    next task; brake pads!
     
  14. Dom

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  15. rickjaffe

    rickjaffe Formula Junior

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    yea, had already checked it out. in fact, that thread and the one by gt4 compadre garvin is the reason I'm going to try it myself, despite some past DIY mishaps. thanks.
     

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