Limited Editions: 812 GTO & F8 "Speciale/Pista/limited edition"

buy used *for sure*.

 

^ This. Massive premiums are a thing of the past for most cars, and trust me losing 100k each time on a car gets old very quickly.

Although the world going forward may be different, the chances of securing the Limited Edition cars will continue to be challenging for someone relatively new to the brand. Access to the Limited Production cars however should be attainable.

 

In the USA, you also must have a recent 4 seater to be allowed an allocation even if you have a serious fleet of Ferrari's:

California, FF, Lusso, Portofino, but, I do not believe the Roma qualifies since it is a "2+" and not a "2+2" like the Portofino.

Used is ok, but, such a "GT Car" would have to be in your "garage" (not simply in your ownership history).

 

All the requirements for having owned cars or buying some more may not be sustainable by Ferrari - it was already questionable before the Covid mess (some were told they needed to lose huge money on other cars to be "awarded" the right to spend money on a Pista, but now anybody can buy a used Pista for MSRP... and it's getting worse, or better, depending on the point of view).
The F12 TdF is the only recent Ferrari that still sells for more than MSRP, but it was initially priced with some restraint (which is not the current Ferrari policy, from the start they try to put the price as high as possible, which limits the excess demand) and it was a truly limited car.

 

buy a lusso and roma and do tailor made for both. bring vaseline.

 

A lot of it is two cars

 

yep - and agree to finance them when they tell you theyd like you to. just make sure they put your name on the note, and not the dealers.
fun game.

 

has a 812 tdf been confirmed? i thought the answer was not happening.

 

Those were the days

 

All numbered cars 599 GTO, 458SA are still trading over albeit much softer

 

812 VS happening. Mules have been spotted testing, unless Covid has changed the scenario completely leading the project to be scrapped.
F8 VS not happening.

 

No one knows what the requirements will be in the post-COVID era. The 599 GTO was launched in the midst of the great financial crisis and it was pretty easy to get an allocation. Many Ferrari buyers with short history got one. The TDF was the other extreme; in my country Ferrari wanted to see 5 Ferraris currently owned from new on the CRM system, including a limited series car.

Based on what I have seen in the last 5 years, Ferrari don’t really care how many cars you buy used. They make no money from them. They might care if you bought a used hypercar (288, F40, F50, Enzo, LaF) or a top classic like a 250SWB. But they wont care if you bought a used 812.

They will look at the number of cars you bought new and the number of those you still own. The less hot models (Portofino, Lusso etc) get more attention, so owning one from new is good.

In summary, unless COVID changes people’s buying patterns and reduces demand dramatically (it very well might), you are better off paying the premium and buying the car you want in the second hand market. There is no time to build the level of history Ferrari would require to allocate you a build slot for the 812VS (especially if it is limited number production), unless of course you plan to order every car on the catalogue now!




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If demand drops there may also be no real need for whatever history to buy the 812 VS.
The 812 VS will most probably be introduced at a list price higher than the market price of an F12 TdF - one may argue that the difference is that most people wanting (and able to afford) an F12 TdF already have one, while by definition nobody will already have the new 812 VS. But still, this leaves a question mark on the actual demand for the 812 VS.

 

unless you get a laf equivalent, playing the game never results in big bains....

 

which episode contains this? i like their videos alot too.

 

You've been given good advice. In general there are no hard and fast rules here, its more like suggestions and then there are no guarantees. Your best odds are to buy some new cars and let them know you'd like to get the 812 VS. Also attend events when invited.

As to pricing, if they do make an 812 VS, then I think its worth considering when we hear of F12tdf trading at one value or another, it is one car, at one time. At any one time how many out of the 799 F12tdf are on the market? I think its a different calculus when you are going to come to the market with another xxx number of cars all within a short period. I don't think you can sustain that kind of pricing.

And then you have recent events. Its going to be very interesting to see how this plays out.

Its great to play the game, but only buy the cars because you enjoy them. That's the winning formula.

 

If you are in it for the long haul with Ferrari and want these cars, then start building that relationship as you have. The advantage is that you will be considered for the other LE cars as well and not just the 812.

If you buy used, you might save some money but wont ever be considered. And as you said you get to spec the car as you want which is a bonus considered how most of the specs nowadays are very personal (Not like 20 years ago where it was Red on Black and Red on Tan...).

OTHO, if i had your liquidity, i would rather get stuff made years ago like a Daytona, F40 and a Stradale..

 

Sure there is Ferrari new car volume (those are given) but IMHO but there is also history, and most of all (like many things) there is relationship. Your relationship with your dealer must be strong - manager(s_ and even ownership team/person. This goes a long way to understanding if you will be considered for the limited cars. You will need to spend time getting to know the entire team, it all goes to your clout of getting a car. To me the Pista was not restricted enough to be called anything super limited; but when you talk about Pista Spider, Icona, 812SS, SuperCars (Laf) now we are talking limited and it is a very different approach. If the dealer has only 7 or 8 Pista Spiders to allocate you should know if you sit high/low or where on the pecking list you are. I was maybe 1 allocation away from a Pista Spider (and I asked...begged) but you see who is getting them and you learn/understand. Its investment of time and money, you need to be at the events, you need to attend track dates, you need to do all the little things so they know you and can vouch for you. They want to know, if you get a car will flip it right away? Who sells your cars? Do you have the funds to even do this? Are you all over the map or do you really love Ferrari. Once you do all that you should have a pretty good idea whether you will qualify and you can start to have the upfront conversations about where you stand and if you are top tier.. they will be "kind of" open and guide you. If things change post COVID fine, but I highly doubt a ton will change and reality is a lot of those upper clients are really NOT hurting right now. My only take on it is you gotta give us young upcoming guys a chance too, if you keep awarding all the amazing stuff to the historical crew then why should we blowing our brains out.

All in all if the above just makes you sick to your stomach (like a true normal person) then just pay the aftermarket premium and be done with it (I did that for a Porsche Speedster, I have limited history/clout with them). For me, I am still learning whether I like the hunt of the secondary market (more) or the speccing/buying and waiting to get to the top etc. Enjoy the journey my friend.

 

Finding stuff in the secondary is way more exciting than speccing a car. After you have specced a cple cars the novelty goes away fast. And i hate tailor made so that was never something id do.


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