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Out the box I've always found non Gt porches to be soft and this weird layer between you and the car.
A track modded cayman is hard to beat, but depding on those can get pricey.

The Gt4s with some suspension work seemed pretty on the nut on track. Im always Judging cars against my lotus.
Haven seen a GT4rs doing the biz on track yet, but Id imagine as an out the box drive to the track car there is none better, all things considered.
Yes camaros zl1 1lt do the numbers, but I don't think of them as things of joy to wield.

From observation a well moded track specific cayman is simply in another league to any road car.

 

I have had the 4C and the Quadrifoglio, the 4C is a blast on the track. It is literally a go kart of steroids while the Quad is big and the suspension does need some tuning. It moves around quite a bit on the track and does understeer. Its fast, but not a track car. I tracked mine about 5 times, not many cars you car rock a car seat still in the back with.

 

I considered a 4c for about 10 minutes. I could just see catastrophic failure as a liveable track car. Simple carbon tub damage will be big bucks to repair or put a 4c on the scrap heap. Anyone who tracks cars fir long enough knows your number is going to come up. That's why we have all that crazy safety gear.

 

yeah my number seems to come up every 8-10 years
Those modern f1 style tracks with lots of runoff prob improve those odds somewhat but I dont run those

 

Yes that's my average racing 8-10yrs. It would be higher if I was closer to the pointy end of the grid where the competition is higher and the penalty for risk taking are higher. I'm on tour this year racing out of my State. My 1st race weekend was January at Sebring in the rain. I actually skipped one of two races that weekend because of torrential rain just to make sure I could make it to my next race weekend. Fixing cars when you are away from home is a real PITA!

I'm not this lucky or this skilled...That's the club alternate pit out not the road to the hotpit....

 

yeah I know that feeling once the car starts to rotate

 

I can thank PCNA for being a 458 owner. Spent the last several years looking to move from GT4 to a GT3 or 4RS and you can guess the ******** I’ve dealt with. I currently own 4 Porsches out of 12ish I’ve had over the last 20 years, but sure, sell your halo track car to the influencer/cryptbro that’ll hard park it in front of Starbucks [emoji849] Never thought I’d find a 458 for cheaper than a 991.2/992 GT3, but here we are.

The plan was to sell the gt4 but this thread isn’t helping. Space is more a motivator than money , but I’ve got a car condo coming online later this year.

If anyone’s pining for a GT4, I’ve got a high mileage (78k) 981 gt4 fully track built and sorted, I’ll let it go for an appropriate $80k. Dm me before I change my mind [emoji12]

 

Right on. I've told this story before. Ferrari of Houston had a track day. I was having fun in my Maranello, although I quickly discovered the brakes needed improvement. During a break, I asked the parts manager how much the hood was on my car. He said about $10,000. I pointed to a Spec Miata sitting on the tarmac and asked how much is that car. He said probably $10,000. I may be dumb, but I'm not stupid.

If you can be competitive in a Spec Miata, and there are a lot of great Spec Miata drivers, you can be competitive in any class. Not only do you have to drive them full bore, but make one mistake, and you're done.

 

The hot ticket is the miata NC 3rd gen. It is now the new spec class in SCCA called SMX. 3 races into 2024 and we are seeing consistent 35 car fields and growing. It has the old SM handling but more power so lower laptimes and fully supported by Mazda. It looks a little better than the NA SM cars too. When my Vette gets back from my racing around the country I'm selling it to build an SMX car for 2025. I'm casually looking for a NC donor car now.

 

Little known fact, 50% of the entire race car population of planet earth are Miata

 

I ran in the NC cars when I did the Skippy series. Great cars, and I fit as long as the seat is bolted to the floor.

Miatas have two speeds: (1) full on the gas, or (2) full on the brakes. On some courses, like the old TWS, many of turns were full on gas. You'd take a deep breath and turn in. I've never seen a race car get so abused and keep on running.

 

These cars are shockingly abused and Mazda is has addressed weak spots and make upgrade parts for racing. Everyone thinks of Porsche but the real manufacturer that supports amateur racing is Mazda. These are also the best cars for driver development.

 

True. The only trail braking I got going was T2 at Laguna Seca. It is a wide double apex turn. You come in WFT and slam on the brakes at the first apex, you then start lifting on the brakes as you rotate at the top of the turn. Once your can see the second apex, you drop the brakes and hammer the throttle. I never got it completely right. I would always brake too early at the first apex and end up going too slow through the turn.

A buddy decided he was going to nail it. He kept the hammer down and ended up in a beautiful four-wheel drift, right into the gravel. He hit the gravel so hard it pulled the tires off the rim!

One of the things I love about Laguna is it is probably one of the safest tracks around. Tons of run off and plenty of gravel. The scariest turn is T9 because you can end up rolling into a gully. Although, I remember hearing they have fixed that turn.

 

I raced SCCA for 20 yrs. in FF, FC and FA. But if I wanted a street-able track toy, it's had to beat a PDK Cayman.

 

True. When I had mine on the track, I couldn't stop laughing.

 

Yeah porche makes great cars, but theyre being bought by and for pose city. Then the walter mitty Rs owner realizes its actualy too hard on road and sells to secondary market looking for a premium. Bottom line they need to make more GT3 and rs3/4 cars for those who would actually buy them and erode the excessive premium margins which do little/nothing for the factory bottom line.. As preninger said after the 911R and coming out with the manual Gt3 stick, were not a hedge fund.

meanwhile amazing one can get an arguably better ferrari for less.

The prche dealers are raping the market, it eventually ends in tears and porche is being a poor brand manager.

In a futile attempt to order a 4rs I actually made several emails and calls to porche DE after getting the runaround from porche NA. Eventually they told me they have near zero control over their dealers, to keep trying to buy a car, and let them know.

IMO What porche needs is some factory dealers who can compete without games with the private dealers and put the cars into appreciative hands, and like honda with th ctr and toyota with the corolla Gr need to do, make more cars of the type peopel actually want to buy..

 

Love to see one with the new mazda straight 6.

 

I see more than a few on road, you can buy the non z06 on BAT for list.
My order slot not up yet, still would prob prefer a 4rs, more my type of machine.

When i look at the z06's I see in the flesh, on one hand love it, prob an ideal frorida car, on the other hand little things like the chrome surround on window switches and a whole host of details, cheezy.

Converting the rear of the exige to monoballs, and if there is no 4rs on the horzon next year ill do the intercooled supercharger upgrade on the exige.

Perhaos Im delusional but keep thinking a 4rs may well be a car you drive to the track and will feel like a track car on track.
This summer going to mix the exige with the elise simply because driving the elise to close small tracks like lrp is so much easier Than truck trailer etc.

 

People have been tracking them. Right now early reports of rod failure in the brake master fracturing. No brakes = crash. So far 3 cars claim this has happened. One GM taken responsibility. Talks of NTSB reports and recall. Not sure if this issue has legs? It' s still early...

 

The Porsche video reminded me of this video of the Corvette at Sebring.