Marco is just like his dad, a crybaby, its never his fault. :rolleyes:
I agree, Graham moved over on him, I don't think marco had anywhere to go. big hit. also interesting that the new "rear bumpers" didn't prevent the car from catching air, like it's supposed to. at under 100 mph. hmmmm........ [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCBvDvm-g5s[/ame]
Agreed. Any experienced racer should know that you're going to get shunted if you make a sudden blocking move right at the start of the braking zone.
I made that same comment about the new bumpers when the accident happened. Maybe the accident would have been worse with last years car, but if the idea was to design a car that doesn't fly, the job wasn't done. Mark
Will ran a great race...this could be his year. Dario now 13th in the standings? Couldn't happen to a nicer guy...
Sorry guys but my take is it was not Rahals fault, he still had the line (the 1/2 way point was not achieved by Marco). Racing is no different in a passing manuever than in a street car, the lead driver dictates the corner.
I think that changes when the lead driver changes direction at the last minute I do think that Indycar (and Beaux Barfield in particular) created a bit of a monster with the new "one move allowed" blocking rule. and for some reason every time it's been an issue this year, Graham and Marco somehow seem involved...
If the lead driver changes direction at the last minute and the 1/2 way mark was achieved by the driver behind I can see your point but it is apparent that it was Marco's fault, hell he ran over the rearwheel of Rahal. I do not understand how anyone here who supposedly has any racing knowledge cannot see it. Carry on without me.
In a street course like that, "between the hard walls".....IMO there is a mindset to adopt of "racing moves".....if you touch anything, you are out, you lose, if you touch anything very hard, you are going to be like a pool ball and hit a LOT of things before you come to a stop! Definately a hard environment on the machinery.
Rules state you are allowed to defend your position once. If Marco was along side of GR and GR changes line resulting in a crash, I'd blame GR. Point is GR was allowed to defend per the rules and Marco ran into the back of him. Additionally, from my armchair, Marco looked to be coming in HOT and if he made the pass on GR, he was going to be set-up to apex way too early, would have swung wide and possibly collected himself in the far wall of the turn...assuming no one else was in his projected path. I list this as a racing incident. I do think Dario swung wide on T1, Lap 1 when he realized the rookie Newgarden was going to pass him on the outside. Dario is just too good a driver to miss hitting his marks. Not sure if he was hoping to crash him out, or just hoping Newgarden would back down. I'd like to believe the later.
True dat. If I were Andretti, I'd be pissed at Graham for moving and pissed at myself for not leaving room (or margin in speed differential) to deal with GR's move. Unfortunately, according to the rules, Rahal did nothing wrong. Still think that's a bad rule.
Exactly! What pissed me off most was Marco's pitbox interview "I could have been killed" which is the typical "I am an Andretti" arrogance him and his father have. Your a racing driver Marco, you arrogant prick, and can loose your life due to your own stupid mistakes on track or on the way home from the track in your rental car. I no longer have any respect for Marco, I lost all personal respect for Michael when he was a driver. Sorry if that rubs others wrong but it is my opinion.
I agree. To me, there was no difference here in the wheel to wheel contact that you would normally get with open wheel racing. The front wheel just went up the "ramp" of the rear section and then pushed the car in the air. There's something wrong here in the design if that was the intention. If you lift the front wing up, the car is going to go airborne or worse, over on it's head.
but that's two separate issues IMO. there are a lot of reasons to not like Marco (or Michael), but to say that any incident he's involved with is automatically his fault is a bit myopic. and you say "anyone with racing knowledge" can't disagree with you, well lots of people with racing knowledge have!
don't hate too much as we need marco and dad to help keep this open wheel thing we love so much...alive!
Any one whom has raced knows the line... you follow in just in side of the car you're following/ racing... )1 if he brakes early your not collected, 2) leaves opportunity to out brake, 3) protects your line... Marco had the right idea when he stood on it heading into the corner... expecting Graham to duck into line and follow through... when both took the shadowing line he simply got caught out in the third groove on entrance and the hopeful hole never developed... racing incident... Made the bold stand on it move, the other guy thinking I'll stay just inside the guy in front also... no hole developed with Graham not tucking into line... juke or not... the 6" didn't make a difference, though it's hard to tell if that wasn't the braking effect of the new bodywork being forced into the tire as there seems to be a moment then before the car catapultes over, with the "driven conveyor belt effect" as well as the pause may have been the car being grappled by the bodywork on it's way through it... (several layers of carbonfiber structure...)
Graham stated the car pulled when it got hit/tapped.... I think the bodywork being heavily pushed into the tire structure may have caused the "juke" move much like a turning brake or rally brake or like the drifters also use. ( forward for right rear/ back for left rear, much like an e-brake minus the detents with dual brake cylinders, one for each direction of the lever...) Anyone thats used a rally/ drifting or sand rail can comprehend the turning brake aspect of the bodywork going into the tire.... There also have two-handled levers as well for each direction/cylinder... I've only used the single, push or pull lever... not needing to decide or look to see which one you need... just move it naturally with out thinking which direction you want to swing.... Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
but was anyone there? The cars are muted compared to last year, I guess due to the turbo. The Lights cars are louder ... You have to listen for the downshifts. After a race duration, I guess I got used to it. The looks, not so much.
I thought the cars sounded great. love the turbo sound. I stood in T10 for a while during practice on Saturday and loved to hear the wastegates making that distinctive sound as the drivers got out of the gas to brake for the hairpin. Lights cars are louder? so what. since when did loudest win? in that case the kid down the street with the fart can exhaust on his Civic has the best sounding car in the world
